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= China Dictatorship 中国独裁统治 :china-dictatorship-media-base: :cirosantilli-media-base: :idprefix: :idseparator: - :sectanchors: :sectlinks: :sectnumlevels: 6 :sectnums: :toc: macro :toclevels: 6 :toc-title:[GitHub Pages] |[GitHub project] |[HTML download]

Chinese "Communist" <> "facts". 中国《共产主义》<>的《事实》。<>, <> and <> and <> recommendations. <>,<>和<>和<>建议。<>. <>。

This README is too large and so[GitHub cuts it up] on[]. You can view it fully at[] or by downloading it locally as shown at: <>.



[[about]] == About 关于

This repo has the following goals:

  • allow copy pasting links to answers to questions/comments that have been posted a million times before by <>, mostly under: <>. This was the original goal.
  • serve as a censorship bomb to block <> in China: <> to destroy the <> and <>. Or more realistically get added to the <> hall of fame.
  • be a fun and sometimes silly source of Chinese mostly anti-CCP culture like a better[Unencyclopedia] /[Encyclopedia Dramatica] without the stupid stereotype jokes. Just quickly browse the pictures with Ctrl + F "Figure" and have fun.
  • serve as a place where people can post interesting related stuff in the issues: see also: <>
  • highlight positive about China's culture outside of its shitty government, such as <> and <>. This has two goals: ** teach foreigners (maybe even Chinese people on certain points) about amazing Chinese things that they can consume ** show wumaos that <> is not as clueless about China as they think

== Copypasta

Here's an image/sentence[copypasta]/summary of key events for the <>.

Another advantage of this is that since it comes first in the repo, it ensures that key elements show up on despite file size cutups:[].

Each summary section contains a link to the main section, which contains sources and description of each image.

六四事件 Tiananmen square protests 1989


  •[Joan Baez - China]
  •[Philip Morgan - Blood is on the square]




法轮功 Falun Gong 1999 70M believer religion banned



新疆改造中心 Xinjiang re-education camps 2018





小熊维尼 Winnie the Pooh 2018




郝海东 Hao Haidong Chinese soccer superstar turns against the CCP 2020


冠状病毒审查 Censorship of the 2019 Corona Virus


基督迫害 Christian persecution 2018




LGBT权利 The suppression of homosexuality





Gay Putin


Vajiralongkorn Hamtaro


[[mirrors]] == Mirrors of this page 这个网页的镜像

You can download the webpage locally from GitHub at:

Media such as images are not stored in this repository, but rather at to keep the lightweight clone. The locally downloaded HTML will then read images from that repository. But we've learnt after creating that repository that the subdomain that serves the images is censored: <>, so they might still be broken.

You can also clone locally with Git:

.... git clone cd china-dictatorship git checkout gh-pages xdg-open README.html ....

or build it yourself:

.... bundle install make xdg-open README.html ....

You can also build with local images:

.... git clone git clone cd china-dictatorship make MEDIA=../china-dictatorship-media ....

Given <>, this might be the only way to view the images from China.

The cool thing about Git is that we can maintain several mirrors on multiple websites very easily:

  • Canonical source and rendered output. If ever <> we do this: <>
  • Maybe some day ? :-)
  • on <>, blocked after 12 hours: <>

GitHub Pages: trade-offs with[]:

  • pros ** cut up to 512KB of source, and therefor unacceptable as the only source:[] **[GitHub's camo] keeps hiccuping and not showing images ** and YouTube videos show inline there
  • cons ** domain will eventually get blocked in China. <> shows that in 2020-01-19 the domain was unblocked, but on the next text at 2020-05-23 it was "contractictory". ** Camo bypasses the need for VPN, since most images are served from <> which is <>.

It is really interesting to see how many people star the GitHub repository, and then a few minutes later they think about how they might get put in jail, and then unstar it. Talk about <>!

GitHub Pages was first enabled in 2020-03-22 at[].

The perfect solution might be to download all images and upload them to since GitHub content does not go through Camo, we have to see if such images don't fail to load as often.

We also have a NPM Node.js package[]. After[installing NPM], you can be use it as:

.... npm i -g china-dictatorship china-dictatorship > README.html ....

This would force China to also block/curate package managers to block this repo. The package is already available in this Chinese Taobao mirror: ([archive]).

We also managed to upload a Python PyPi package at: Is as:

.... python3 -m pip install --user --upgrade china-dictatorship > README.html ....

We later found on Google by chance that picked it up and rendered the README.adoc nicely as well: ([archive]). This is why packaging is a good idea.

A programmatic inferface is also exposed on those packages, making it easy to quickly add a

option to your project, e.g. from Python:

.... import china_dictatorship

print(chinadictatorship.getdata()) ....

This outputs the rendered HTML, which end users should the pipe into a file:

.... ./your-program --china > README.html xdg-open README.html ....

Here's a concrete example:

TODO: create an Ubuntu PPA and Ruby gem as well.

Update all mirrors in one go with: link:push-mirrors[]:

.... ./push-mirrors ....

In particular, that script calls link:push-gh-pages[]:

.... ./push-gh-pages ....

which is more lightweight and pushes just to GH Pages, so we are going to be using that more often to avoid overloading package managers too much.

There is no need to update package versions or add git tags, all of that gets done automatically by the script!

[[faq]] == FAQ 常见问答集

[[why-keyword-attack]] === Why attack websites with censored keywords? 用审查词攻击网站有什么用呢?


To <>.

This would then end <>.

And then <> that this would also <>.

The keyword attacks increase the cost of censorship.

If commies censor things, they will get worse IT technology, and thus become <> and militarily powerful.

Since all they care about, like any other politicians, is power, the only way to make them stop censorship is to make the cost of censorship higher than not censoring.

Without the threat that China will be less technologically, and therefore militarily advanced, there is no incentive for the CCP to destroy the firewall.

The goal is to put them in a position where they have to choose between either:

  • having military power
  • remaining a <>

but not both, since having both means that they will <>.

Related attack: <>.

[[harm-programmers]] ==== Does Ciro Santilli want to harm the Chinese programmers? 三西猴想要伤害中国程序员吗?


This is not revenge of any kind.

He knows he is harming you in the short term, and he doesn't like that.

But he believes that this harm is a necessary means to reach his real goal, which is to destroy the firewall, and the dictatorship.

Don't you think it is worth a try? Destroying the firewall, would <> not only Chinese programmers, but every single other Chinese person too.

Once the firewall is destroyed, which <>, he want China to develop the best science and technology in the world, and <>.

And by the way, with his[extensive contributions to open source software], Ciro is already helping China, and all underdeveloped countries, become stronger.

See also: <>.

[[harm-people]] ===== Does Ciro Santilli want to make the Chinese people people look bad?

No, the opposite.

Ciro only wants their <> to look bad to destroy it, and help China become <>.

Even the Chinese that are against their own Government <>, so it is not their fault.

And even those <> must be respected, whoever <> and <> you might think they are, <>.

See also: <>.

[[stupid]] ==== Does Ciro Santilli think that the Chinese are stupid or brainwashed? 三西猴觉得中国人是啥子或被洗脑吗?

Obviously not, if you even thought about this, it is likely because of: <>.

Don't you see that this is just pure and simple politics? And likely ineffective one at that: <>.

  • everyone is brainwashed by their environment: <>
  • it is impossible to prove who is right or wrong in politics: <>
  • not even the CCP is evil: <>

[[meant-to-be-used]] === Politics should not be posted in technical websites such as GitHub or Stack Overflow 不应该在技术网站例如Stack Overflow和GitHub讨论政治

Is the Chinese government using the Internet the way it was meant to be used, by investing billions in <>?

What about <>? Did you also complain about it, or did you just star it like 250k of your fellow programmers?

Any act of protest will use things in ways that it was not meant to be used.

For example, the street is not meant to showcase protest banners, it is meant to be a passageway for cars.

As engineers, we have a moral responsibility towards society. We should not blindly follow orders of those in power if it violates our principles, e.g. build weapons or censorship mechanisms. And we should freely express our principles and violation concerns.

Making a statement where no one will ever see it, like a personal website, is <>.

Much of the best art and technology is about using something in a way that it wasn't meant to be used.

Finally, the political powers of each website decide what is allowed or not on their website, and what is not allowed gets blocked. So far, Stack Overflow and GitHub's Terms of Service have said to go ahead:

  • <>
  • <>

<> has, of course, a beautiful reply to this at致反对此项目的墙内程序员[]:



本项目上线第二天,就收获 363 个 star 兼 88 个 fork,甚至还挤进 GitHub 的“当日 Trending”——俺很荣幸,也很高兴有这么多人给俺捧场。

但是在本项目的 issue 列表中也看到好几个反对此项目的程序员(应该都来自墙内),他们担心这个项目导致 GitHub 被 GFW 封杀。




In reply to: "Programmers behind the <> who are against this project"

The second day after the project went online, it got 363 stars and 88 forks, and even squeezed into GitHub's "Trending repositories of the Day". I am honored and I am so happy that so many people gave me their support.

However, in the issue list of this project, I also saw several programmers who opposed this project (likely all from within the GFW), and they worried that this project would cause GitHub to be blocked by GFW.

Over the past few years, I have read a lot of similar comments. A good comparison would be if a robber were killing someone with a knife, and the onlookers not only did not condemn the robber, but instead condemned the shop that sold the knife. This is the legendary "link:[Stockholm syndrome]".

Interested people can read my previous blog post:["Psychological Analysis of the People of the Heavenly Dynasty: Stockholm Syndrome"].

Infinite duplicate pool:


==== Is Ciro Santilli making programming contributions with the main intent of promoting his political agenda?

No, that is just a side effect.

For example, if that were the case, he would definitely target more widely used technologies, in particular Web and JavaScript, instead of obscure things like C and assembly in which I have spent tons of my time.

Also, <>. Much more likely to have any effect, would be for <> to become rich and powerful first, and the best way to do that is to invest in whatever he thinks is most useful.

Actually, it can even be argued that Ciro's somewhat irrational, since he would be much more likely to become rich and powerful by bowing down to the CCP and trying to get their money instead.

On the other hand, becoming rich and powerful is also highly unlikely, so maybe it's justa matter of taking a low-risk low-reward path?

Ciro has have very little free time, and he will never do something for political reasons, only things that interest me technically.

Finally, do you really think he'd be able to do such awesome projects if he had primarily political considerations in mind? XD

===== Is Ciro Santilli making trivial edits on questions just to spam your name further?


I just think that the website is great, and want to push it to perfection, in particular with better Google keyword hits, and uniform grammatically correct titles.

If you think that any of my edits were harmful, please ping me and open a meta thread to discuss specific edits, and I will comply with consensus.

[[why-end-dictatorship]] === Why would China be better without its Dictatorship?

Because it would make China, and the world:

  • <>
  • less likely to get into <>
  • <>

[[richer]] ==== Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China richer? 言论自由让中国比较富有

There is infinite debate about this out there, some examples:

  • ([archive])


  • dictatorships are more likely to start <> or other <> like the <>, which completely destroy the economy in one go
  • society becomes richer when people know that they can do their startups, get rich, and stay in the country without fear of being persecuted unfairly and losing everything instead of migrating to Canada, see also: <>
  • it is much harder to fix problems if you can't talk about the. Any criticism of the government, even if constructive, <>, which makes the government and just becomes less efficient since there is less feedback. + This greatly increase the probability of dealing poorly with such problems, see e.g. all the global problems listed at: <>.
  • governments are monopolies, and the more powerful they are, the worst it is for competition an efficiency in general. E.g.: the startup with better government ties wins, instead of the most efficient one.
  • people in dictatorships tend to <> and in life in general. It is best not to stand out, because if you make any mistake, you are really fucked. As a result, for example, if you do something awesome like a creating an open source project, but do it anonymously, you won't get as much fame. And therefore everyone does less of such awesome things on average.


  • presidents only care about the 4-8 year horizon, while dictators can make longer term decisions to maintain power forever, their power being limited only by "the people are happy enough to not start a revolution"
  • dictatorships can make changes faster without the same amount of discussion that happens in democracies, where power is more spread out. + Killing a million people will make us richer? No problem, let's do it. + That is great when they make good decisions, but it sucks when they make <> more likely.

<> really likes[Posners'] way of putting it:


While average rate of growth do not appear to differ much between democracies and authoritarian regimes, the variability in performance does differ more among authoritarian governments. China has had remarkable growth since the 1980s, but the prolonged devastation and hardship produced by China's "<>" (when millions of farmers starved to death) and its Cultural Revolution would unlikely have occurred in a democratic country like say India. Nor is it likely that say Cuba and many African nations would have suffered so long with such terrible economic policies if they had reasonably democratic institutions.

Maybe China was poor because of Mao's crazy communist regime. Similar regimes also made <> poor. And yes, before that exploitation by the West may have been a factor.

Definitely, the current regime is better than Mao's, but just imagine how rich China could be if it had more freedom and justice.

Imperial China lost the race for the Industrial Revolution. Will another dictatorship be able to stay on top of the next technological revolution?

.XKCD 937 "TornadoGuard" comes to mind in relationship to the <>.[Source]. image:[height=600]

==== Censorship makes countries poorer

<> need <> to survive, and they must control all information to make themselves always look good: <>.

As a result, knowledge of problems flows more slowly, and therefore they also take longer to solve.

Maybe this hurts the argument, but Hillary agrees: :-)

But countries that restrict free access to information or violate the basic rights of internet users risk walling themselves off from the progress of the next century

. "Secretary Clinton Speaks on Internet Freedom", U.S. Department of State, 2010-01-22 video::ccGzOJHE1rw[youtube,height=400,width=600,start=2110]

Also mentioned at: link:[Google versus China - VPRO documentary - 2011]

This is also the basis of a <>.

This is also well illustrated in the link:[HBO 2019 miniseries "Chernobyl"], which suggests that part of the reason why Chernobyl happened is because of the Soviet Union's obsession to save face.

. Chernobyl supercut scene where the reactor explodes, and a chief engineer "Comrade Dyatlov" accepts the 3.6 Roentgen measurement as "Not great, not terrible" and forwards it to his superiors who take actions based on that, even though the radiation measurement apparatus only goes up to 3.6 Roentgen. Needless to say, the actual radiation was much, much higher: when a proper measurement is made, the value is 15000 Roentgen! The URSS only admitted Chernobyl three days after when Swedish nuclear plant radiation detector alarms started going off. Notably, in order to keep it secret, they for example did not cancel the[International Workers' Day parade in Kharkov, Ukraine which happened five days after the disaster]. video::ocBVLMHK6c8[youtube,height=400,width=600]

.Photo of a CDV-717 radioactivity meter that maxes out at 3.6 Roentgen like the one that would have been used in Chernobyl.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/36Roentgen.jpg[height=400]

This suggestion is even more explicit in the fictional[World War Z] 2006 novel by[Max Brooks] about a <> outbreak in China. It was later adapted into the[World War Z (2013)] movie by[Paramount]:

  •[]: Paramount cowards tried to kowtow and remove references to China from the movie, but it failed
  •[]: no Chinese publisher dared publish the book unless China references were removed, which the author declined, and so the book was not published in China

Or[if you prefer]:

The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.[Amartya Sen] is another famous proponent of similar arguments in the area of hungers:

In democratic countries, even very poor ones, the survival of the ruling government would be threatened by famine, since elections are not easy to win after famines; nor is it easy to withstand criticism of opposition parties and newspapers. That is why famine does not occur in democratic countries. Unfortunately, there are a great many countries in the world which do not yet have democratic systems.

although like any other political argument,[some disagree].

Virus outbreaks and other natural disasters also illustrate this well: <>.

[[corona]] ===== Censorship of the 2019 Corona Virus 2019冠状病毒病早期迹象审查


The Chinese Government censored the initial outbreak in January and did not inform Wuhan on January 8, which likely made the situation much worse than what it could have been.

Good timelines so without a fucking paywall:

  • "Timeline: The early days of China's coronavirus outbreak and cover-up"


  • 2019-12-27 several genomics companies had sequenced the coronavirus and noticed the similarity to Sars. According to GeneBank,[] the sample was collected on and 23-Dec-2019 and published on 04-FEB-2020
  • 2020-01-03 findings were sent to the for Disease Control in Beijing, but then the National Health Commission, China's top medical authority, issued orders to not talk about it and destroy samples
  • 2020-01-08 CDC team went to Wuhan to see the situation, was not informed that contagiousness of the disease had been confirmed
  • 2020-01-20 the findings were made public, in an interview with Zhong Nanshan. He later said in an interview that the local government should be blamed: + video::LK1Pz8FmryM[youtube,height=400,width=600,start=132]
  • 2020-01-23 Wuhan begins lockdown
  • 2020-01-24 to 30 Chinese New Year

News coverage:

  • 2020-05-12: CIA people said China stopped the WHO from sounding the alarm from January 24 to January 30, while at the same time stockpiling protection materials
  • <> article about how early Coronavirus signs were censored: ** ([archive]) "李文亮所在医院为何医护人员伤亡惨重?" (Why did Li Wenliang's [李文亮] hospital suffer heavy casualties?) ** (paywall) "In Depth: How Early Signs of a SARS-Like Virus Were Spotted, Spread, and Throttled" ** "Chinese scientists destroyed proof of virus in December". Paywall skip: Terrible copy paste of some Caixin article with no sources/precise names.
  • "China spent the crucial first days of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak arresting people who posted about it online and threatening journalists" ([archive])
  • "You Can Now Go to Jail in China for Criticizing Beijing's Coronavirus Response"
  • Ai Fen's (艾芬) report of how the situation was mishandling was censored
  • 2020-04-13 "Beijing tightens grip over coronavirus research, amid US-China row on virus origin". The Government can now veto papers from being published on the subject of the origin of COVID-19.

Some believe that the Chinese government grossly under-reported death counts. Official figures were about only 3300 deaths, in the insanely densely populated Wuhan area, while Italy had reached 10000 deaths:

  • 2020-04-19 Trump says on a White House briefing he does not believe China's case count
  • 2020-04-01 CIA speaks
  • 2020-03-29 Reports of funerary urns sold

Maybe China is saying the truth this time. Maybe the rapid Dictatorship response worked. But maybe the most important lesson to take out of this is: no one trusts a Dictatorship, after an infinitely long history of lies and no freedom of the press.

On the other hand, one may argue that the "city closure" measures were stronger/faster than in democracies.

Doctor Li Wenliang (李文亮) reported the virus, but was told by authorities to stay quiet, and later died from the virus, becoming somewhat of a martyr:


The following excerpt from his forced confession trended:

你能做到吗? + 你听明白了吗?


Can you manage? + Do you understand?

.[Assemblage] of a[respirator mask] with a[BDSM gag ball] attached to it, suggesting that citizen reports of COVID-19 in China have been censored.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Covidgagmask.jpg[height=600]

.Selfie of Li Wenliang on his hospital bed before he died.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/LiWenliangcovid.jpg[height=400]

.Corona Xi mural of <> morphed into a Coronavirus by[Lushux]. Fuller composition view:[]. Reddit called it[Winnie the Flu] in a reference to <>.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Covid_Xi.jpg[height=500]

====== nCovMemory

Popular GitHub repo documenting personal experiences and media reports:

  • "新冠肺炎记忆:报道、非虚构与个人叙述" 2020 New coronavirus pneumonia memories: reports, non-fictional and personal accounts.
  • translation project

Other interesting GitHub repositories: <>.

====== People arrested for reporting on the 2019 Corona Virus

  • Qiushi ** Twitter: ** YouTube: ** "Chen Qiushi spoke out about the Wuhan virus. Now his family and friends fear he's been silenced" ** 2020-04-18 "He Traveled to Wuhan to Report on Coronavirus – and Hasn't Been Heard From Since" ** "Lawyer Chen Qiushi documenting coronavirus epicentre disappears" by <> + video::Iwpr55PZEJ8[youtube,height=400,width=600]
  • Fang Bin (方斌) ** Twitter: ** YouTube: *** The last YouTube video simply says: + ____ 全民反抗 +还政于民[还政于民] + 方斌书 ____ + which translates as: + ____ All the people, revolt. + Return the country (politics) to its people. + Written (calligraphed) by Fang Bin. ____ + video::_7VIG2qp0j4[youtube,height=400,width=600] ** "Fang Bin is second Chinese citizen journalist to vanish while reporting from coronavirus epicentre" by <> + video::sUvBNpkxrJo[youtube,height=400,width=600]
  • Zehua ** YouTube ** Twitter ** 2020-02-28
  • 2020-04-25: Chen Mei, Cai Wei and his girlfriend, who contributed to <>
  • 2020-04-14: Zhang Zhan (张展) ** **

TODO maybe not arrested but relevant:

  • Fang published in 2020 Diary + Possible free Chinese version: ([archive])

[[war]] ==== Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China less likely to start a war?

This has been discussed to death:


Some arguments include:

  • the people who will actually fight and die on the front can't vote against it
  • dictators have huge power, so if they put it in their heads that they want to start a war, it is much harder for sensible people to stop them
  • dictators need <>, and a war is a great way to achieve that

Of course China won't say that they are starting a war when they do.

They will of course start with territories which they claim as theirs, to add to <> until the recent past, even though their inhabitants desperately want to leave China:

  •–Indiaskirmishes | "Beijing Said to Fund Separatist India Movement"

Which reminds us of... <>:

  • 1939[Gleiwitz incident], a[false flag attack]
  • 1938 Annexation of[Sudetenland] from Czechoslovakia. explains: + ____ A decisive proximate event was the 1938[Munich Conference], which formally approved Germany's annexation of the Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia. Hitler promised it was his last territorial claim, but in early 1939 he became even more aggressive, and European governments finally realized that appeasement was not guaranteeing peace." ___
  • 1935-1938 comments: + ____ In Italy, Benito Mussolini sought to create a[New Roman Empire], based around the Mediterranean. It invaded Ethiopia as early as 1935, Albania in early 1938, and later Greece. That provoked angry words and an oil embargo from the League of Nations, which failed. ___
  • 1931[1931 Japanese invasion of Manchuria], with one false flag event preceding it:[Mikden Incident].

When China <> (帝国主义), there is of course some truth to it, but it is also very ironic, because as[Lindybeige mentions], China is obviously the largest empire on Earth! Despite its <> efforts, China is highly diverse since it is obviously made up of a[large stitched up carpet of nations that were conquered by a single empire]. E.g. <> translates literally as "The New Frontier"!

===== The United States has recently started several wars and killed millions!

Not even democracies can fully protect people from other countries, because they don't vote. Yes, congratulations, <>.

But if the USA were a <> it would kill way more, because it would censor every report against the war internally to its own people, and the wars would just go on like in <>.

How many times do we have to bring <> up? 70-85 million deaths in one go:

The only reason China has not started wars is because it is a poor country, and it would lose them. If it were rich, it would have started more wars and killed 100 times more people.

Finally, some wars are good.

If a country is oppressed by a dictatorship, and most of its people want to be free, it might be right to help them be free.

If a country sponsors terrorism, it might be a good idea to take out their Government.

This has to be analyzed on a case-by-case basis, and maybe a verdict will never be reached. But at least in a democracy the people can decide based on varied information. In a dictatorship, whatever the dictator decides happens.

Also, most of those small wars that he USA started end up being[proxy wars] between the USA and <>/China, with the USA pushing for democracy, and Russia/China pushing for more dictatorships.

[[uneducated-masses]] ==== The Chinese masses are still uneducated, and not fit for free speech and democracy 中国大众愚昧,不能好好选领导

When will they be ready? Who decides? What if they think that they are <>?

In George Bernard Shaw's "Maxims for Revolutionists" words:

Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for <>.

Many democracy supporters jokingly recognize democracy's shortcomings.

A[fake Churchill quote]:

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

Art Spander:

The great thing about democracy is that it gives every voter a chance to do something stupid.

Laurence J Peter:

Democracy is a process by which the people are free to choose the man who will get the blame.

===== The Chinese masses are not interested in politics and therefore not ready to vote

But how would they be interested in politics or be able to discuss it, if it is <>?

What about the <> and the 70 million <> followers? Did they not care?

[[overlook-human-rights-for-profit]] ==== As long as China is developing economically, it is fine to violate the human rights of a few million people

This argument can be made, but it is a risky way to live: <> and borderline <>.

Do the <>?

What is the point of having all that wealth, when you risk <>?

<> argues that China would be even richer if it weren't for the CCP: <>, and that the CCP only violates people's human rights as a tool to stay in power: <>.

.<> cartoon about a pig who does not care about politics because it cannot be eaten. 民主又不能当饭吃[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/PigpoliticsChinese.jpg[height=600]

.Translation by Ciro Santilli of the Rebel Pepper cartoon about the pig who does not care about politics because it cannot be eaten. image::{cirosantilli-media-base}/Rebelpepperpigcan%27teatdemocracycartoontranslatedtoEnglishbyCiroSantilli.jpg[height=600]

.[Shut up and take my freedom] meme by <>. image::{cirosantilli-media-base}/Shutupandtakemy_freedom.jpg[height=400]

[[corruption]] ==== Democracies have less corruption than dictatorships

One of the key points of <> governments has been to quench corruption. And use that as an excuse to get rid of rivals while at it.

However, there is one much better solution to that: democracy and freedom of speech.

The reason is obvious: with censorship, <> can <> anything bad that they did, and so it becomes much harder to destroy corruption.

In George Bernard Shaw's "Maxims for Revolutionists" words:

Democracy substitutes election <> for appointment by the corrupt few.

Well known corruption cases:

  • 2020 Ren Zhiqiang ** **任志强 ** "Chinese tycoon who criticized Xi Jinping's handling of <> jailed for 18 years"
  • 2012 Jihua: son died in Ferrari crash with two women on the car, which put the spotlight on him
  • 2012 Xilai: trigerred by the murder of[Neil Heywood], of which Bo's wife was accused

Related events:

  • <>

===== Operation Fox Hunt

Trying to prevent corruption is fine, but violating the laws of other countries in doing so, or the <> of their family is not.

Publicized by China itself: <>

[[liu-changming]] ====== The detention of Liu Changming's (刘昌明) family (2018)

China imposed an exit ban on the ex-official's family, who are also USA citizens:

  • officer Liu Changming (刘昌明)
  • wife Sandra Han
  • children Victor Liu (born July 1999 in the USA) and Cynthia Liu (27 in 2019, born in China, but also American citizen)

China says that the children and wife do have valid Chinese documents, so maybe those idiots did not give up their Chinese citizenship and went to China. Why, why, why would you do that? Don't they know anything about China?

Cynthia claimed her father has left home a long time ago and that they are not in contact with their father.

Liu is a so called official, who let his family go live outside of China to prevent such problems with the CCP.

The wiki page also explains that in 2014 rules were added to prevent promotion of officials whose spouses live abroad.

This reminds Ciro of a Mafia movie, maybe Godfather II, where the bad guy says he "likes doing business with a man that has a family, because he has more collateral".


  • 2018-11

.2019-05-09 Cynthia Liu, daughter of Liu Changming (刘昌明) pleas freedom on YouTube. Commented upload by CBS, TODO can't find original video on YouTube, maybe they sent straight to CBS? video::t2hBtXdaYsQ[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[effective]] === Will the keyword attacks really help to destroy the firewall?

It is both unlikely, and hard to be sure.

Just like it is unlikely that the activity of on individual can have a big influence in any group of 1 billion people.

Every action is statistical: I just push the balance a little bit towards freedom.

This FAQ and any talk is useless. You and I are wasting our time here.

The possibility of blocking Stack Overflow and GitHub is 1000x more useful than any talk, but it is still useless.

However, potentially blocking those websites takes <>, I just leave the content there, so it is worth my time.

To have an idea, in 2015 there are about:

  • 20M developers in the world
  • 2M in China :
  • 5M Stack Overflow users
  • TODO I wonder what percentage of GDP those programmers control. I'll bet any programmer on Stack Overflow is at least 5x more powerful than the average Chinese.

And if we never start somewhere, nothing will ever happen.

Furthermore, even if the <> falls, it is not clear that this will imply the end of the dictatorship: <>.

Even if it is not, it does not matter, since <> spends so little time doing it: <> and has fun in doing it.

.[House of Cards] S01E02 "Nobody can hear you. Nobody cares about you. Nothing will come of this." GIF.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Nobodycanhearyou.gif[height=400]

[[embargo]] ==== Embargoes make dictatorships stronger (禁运使独裁更强大)

The <> is basically an embargo.

There is already a lot of literature about this, especially in the cases of Cuba and North Korea. It is basically a libertarian vs conservative/Cato vs Heritage thing in the US:


The key dilemma is:

  • if we keep contact with the Dictatorship, maybe its people will see that democracy is better and start a liberating revolution
  • if we keep giving technology to the Dictatorship and it does not become a democracy, we are making a Dictatorship more technologically advanced, and therefore <>

Some interesting aspects of the keyword attack embargo:

  • it is immediately self-enforcing: we don't need politicians to decide and enforce the complex "if you do this, we punish you like that" question. + By political and technological information is together, and this immediately puts the dictatorship in a bad spot, without us having to decide anything.
  • by affecting programmers in particular through Stack Overflow and GitHub, we make them more likely to develop better <> tools themselves

One point in favor of the embargo is that China has opened up since the '80s '90s, but did freedom improve at all? Under <>, it may be argued that it did not, and maybe that we should just stop feeding them technology and accept that they won't become free.

Trump's link:[2019 China trade war], and in particular the <> ban, is an event that has brought this question to the spotlight once again.

===== Keyword attacks could be used by certain CCP political groups to justify blocking off the entire external Internet, and make the dictatorship even more pervasive

It is a risk, but it would make China drastically <>, so at least they wouldn't be able to start or sustain <>. So I don't think it will go that way.

[[so-block-cost]] ==== Stack Overflow and GitHub could be blocked at no cost by the Chinese government

Hitting the block button has, of course, no cost.

The cost of blocking Stack Overflow lies of course in the loss of information, and slower technological development, see also: <>

Remember that it is not possible for the Chinese government to block only certain pages of HTTPS websites due to encryption: either the entire IP/domain name is blocked, or nothing.

The 2019 <> event however brought to my attention that Chinese (usually WebKit-based) browsers are already censoring HTTPS websites selectively of course, see e.g.:

But Ciro doubt developers use those browsers, right? The only way would be for China to forbid foreign browsers entirely.

BTW, <> brings a whole new dimension to HTTPS by encrypting the domain name as well!

===== Is Stack Overflow blocked in China?

There was no clear evidence of that as of April 2020:

It worth noting however that as mentioned at <> that websites can become non-functional if CDNs they rely on are taken down, instead of the website being taken down itself.

For example, Stack Overflow relied on Google for some of its JavaScript and on Imgur for images, both of which are blocked in China.

[[disturbs]] ==== Keyword attack profiles disturb me

But isn't it better to be annoyed than having <>, <> or <>?

If the truth is too much for you to bear, worry not, you can use either:

  • Greasyfork browser extensions **净化器 "StackOverflow净化器" (Stack Overflow cleanup) *** GitHub user with the same username: *** *** ** 2020-07-09 "Ciro Santilli" *** *** Some possible authors (of course, with that name, there must be 10 thousand Chinese people at least): **** **** from Intel
  • a custom ad terminator expression shown at:[href="/users/895245/ciro-santilli-%e6%96%b0%e7%96%86%e6%94%b9%e9%80%a0%e4%b8%ad%e5%bf%83%e6%b3%95%e8%bd%ae%e5%8a%9f%e5%85%ad%e5%9b%9b%e4%ba%8b%e4%bb%b6"]

Another good option is to use the trusty <>.

Installing any of those immediately give you <>, <>.

See also: <>.

[[not-chinese]] === Non-Chinese people should not interfere in Chinese politics (外国人不应该干预中国政治)

  • For better or worse, China and other countries happen to be located in the same planet. + If China's <> is bad, the economy gets worse in other countries. + If China's <>, the environment gets worse in other countries. + If China <>, other countries will have to fight it. + If China <>, other countries might get infected.
  • <> disagree with their government, but can't say anything about it, otherwise <>. See also: xref:most-chinese-people-like-their-dictatorship[xrefstyle=full]
  • The CCP would likely be in power today if the link:[Japanese hadn't weakened the Guomindang] and the link:[Soviet Union helped out Mao]. + And Chine would be much much less technologically advanced had it come in contact with the West, from which it is still trying to learn/steal from: <>. + Foreign influence can be both good or bad.
  • Chinese people have been brainwashed by the <>, more than the West has been brainwashed to think that he CCP is bad: <>
  • China would never ever try to influence foreign countries, would it? E.g. <>, <>, <>.
  • If I <>, my <> :-)
  • You can't do anything about it. + In the end, this is what all politics comes down to: power. + In some sense, this may be similar to the CCP and any other political party. + But conversely: <>. + .[House of Cards] S01E02 "Nobody can hear you. Nobody cares about you. Nothing will come of this." GIF.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Nobodycanhearyou.gif[height=400] + . House of Cards S01E02 Officer: "Some guy was trying to get into the building, when we said "no" he started tearing his clothes off." Frank: "Nobody can hear you. Nobody cares about you. Nothing will come of this. Why don't you let these nice gentlemen take you home?" video clip. Interpretation: video::SRPiE59e8NU[youtube,height=400,width=600]

Why don't you go instead <> in one of the following repositories and which are written in Chinese by Chinese citizens, many of which have many times more stars than china-dictatorship, and therefore <>? <>.

See also:

  • <>

Duplicate pool:

[[brainwashed-by-usa]] ==== Non-Chinese people have been brainwashed by the USA know nothing about China

Everyone is "brainwashed" by their environment.

E.g. people in the West are brainwashed to believe in democracy, freedom of speech and human rights.

<> doesn't doubt that Chinese people know more about China than him.

Saying that "someone is not Chinese, he does not understand China", is just an useless[ad hominem] argument and closely related to <>.

Since you know so much about China, why why don't you just actually prove your point by teaching Ciro one single interesting about China that Ciro didn't know about? He loves learning new things.

But please, link to reference material instead of just saying it, it will be much more convincing.

But if you are Chinese, also consider that you have been brainwashed by the commies, so likely much more than Ciro since you live in a dictatorship.

See also: <>.

[[evil-west]] ==== The commies exaggerate the threat of the West to keep in power

First, obviously, <>.

However, the CCP greatly exaggerates how evil the West is, because making your people constantly afraid is a classic strategy used by dictators to stay in power.

Or in[fable] form:

Once upon a time, there was a farmer with a farm.

One day, the animals on the farm started feeling a bit trapped, and started bumping against the fence to get out.

The farmer, however, was smart, and told the animals:

Careful! There is a wolf outside! If you go out, you will be eaten by the wolf!

The animals, were not that smart, and listened to the farmer, they were afraid!

From time to time, one of the animals would disappear (and without their knowledge, reappear on the farmer's dinner table).

But the farmer kept giving the animals delicious food without them making any effort, so they decided to believe the farmer's explanation that animal had escaped and been eaten by the wolf.

Maybe, there was actually a wolf outside. But if they had escaped, only some of the animals would have been eaten by that wolf.

But by staying on the farm, all the animals were, sooner or later, eaten one by one.

TODO source.

This theme is also highlighted in many well known works/events.

North Korea for example,[China's good and trusty friend], is just a caricatural level of this, since it manages to be more a <> than even China itself!

In fiction, <> is undoubtedly the most prominent example, in which the Party constantly switches from being at <> with one country to the other in a never ending war.

One of the best related quotes comes in Part Two, Chapter 9 when Winston reads Emmanuel Goldstein's subversive text, one of the chapters contains (emphasis by Ciro):


The war, therefore, if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are set at such an angle that they are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that a hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely internal affair. In the past, the ruling groups of all countries, although they might recognize their common interest and therefore limit the destructiveness of war, did fight against one another, and the victor always plundered the vanquished. In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. The very word 'war', therefore, has become misleading. It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous war has ceased to exist. The peculiar pressure that it exerted on human beings between the Neolithic Age and the early twentieth century has disappeared and been replaced by something quite different. The effect would be much the same if the three super-states, instead of fighting one another, should agree to live in perpetual peace, each inviolate within its own boundaries. For in that case each would still be a self-contained universe, freed for ever from the sobering influence of external danger. A peace that was truly permanent would be the same as a permanent war. This--although the vast majority of Party members understand it only in a shallower sense--is the inner meaning of the Party slogan: WAR IS PEACE.

This is also the first line of the party slogan, which perfectly resonates with the CCP:


or in Part One, Chapter 3:

Since about that time, war had been literally continuous, though strictly speaking it had not always been the same war. For several months during his childhood there had been confused street fighting in London itself, some of which he remembered vividly. But to trace out the history of the whole period, to say who was fighting whom at any given moment, would have been utterly impossible, since no written record, and no spoken word, ever made mention of any other alignment than the existing one. At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible.

The theme is also mentioned in <>, where a <> is used by governments to increase their power over the people.

Duplicate pool:

[[henri-meyer]] .French political cartoon from 1898 by[Henri Meyer] showing leaders of Western powers, Russia and Japan splitting up China between them. The CCP would arguably <>. Maybe the West deserves the CCP they helped create.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Chinaimperialism_cartoon.jpg[height=500]

[[bias]] === Ciro Santilli and this page are completely biased against the Chinese Government!

<> prefers the term focused :-)

That being said, <> takes the agenda of information sources very seriously.

E.g. he tries to clearly classify Communist Party, Falun Gong, and Western government linked sources.

If we had more <> content, then maybe this repository would be considered a more reputable source by Chinese people.

However, there are a few practical problems to that:

  • there is freedom of speech in the West and people can already see that information on newspapers who have a million times more viewers than this repo (and still obviously no conclusion was reached), there's no need to repeat that here + Conversely, bad China news are always OK because, because those are all censored in China and help Chinese people learn about it.
  • flooding <> posts is a primary <> tactic
  • <> information is already abundantly accessible to Chinese people in Chinese via any CCP media: <>.
  • <>, and notably <>. This is why the primary goal of this repo is the <>: it does not require changing people's opinions.

For those reasons, we currently forbid, posting several evil-West news without explaining why dictatorships handle it better. It would just generates more noise than signal.

If you do explain however why dictatorships/China handle it better, then the post is welcome.

Any political material that is censored by any country besides China, will also be readily accepted.

Any evidence of positive political progress towards freedom will also be added to this repo, e.g. people openly discussing politics online, human rights activists doing political stuff and not being put into jail, etc.

See also:

  • <>
  • <>

[[throne]] ==== Ciro Santilli's claim to the Qing Dynasty throne 三西猴清朝皇帝觊觎

Ciro Santilli's <>, her mother, and paternal cousin, believe that Ciro's wife is the descendant of the brother of a recent[Qing emperor] through her father's family.

Although they have not been able to produce concrete evidence, which could be explained by the endless political turmoils in 20th century China, Ciro decided that this would be a good bet to take, and married her anyway.

If anyone is able to provide further evidence of this relationship, please, please, please get in touch.

One thing to keep in mind is that the Qing dynasty, like the previous Ming dynasty, used names, such that the first character of the given name is the same for all people in a given generation (counted directly from the first emperor that adopted the rule.

For example, this wiki page contains a good family tree of the most important Qing people: link:++[] and we see that many important people around 1861 were Zai 載something, e.g.: Zaichun, Zaiyi, Zaitian, etc.

The last emperor was Puyi, so Pu is the last well known mark. But there were others planned that never got used for after him as shown at:[].

  • Zai (before Pu)
  • Pu (wife's great-grandfather)
  • Yu (wife's grandfather)
  • Heng (wife's father)
  • Qi (wife)
  • Dao (wife's children). At least one thing is decided from this: Ciro's children Chinese names will all be Ai Dao Something.

The family tree that Ciro has reconstructed orally from his mother-in-law is:

  • Ciro's wife: ** Father: Ai Dayi (艾大义) born: 1932 in Shenyang *** Father: Ai Xikang (艾锡康) So why did he not use Yu? **** Father: Ai Pushan (艾溥?), so the Pu character is presumed from the generation name, to be the same generation as Puyi. has a Pushen (溥伸), but he died at 13 years old in 1928, so its not the one. **** Younger brother 2: Ai Xiyuan (艾锡?) Professor at Apparently had no Children. **** Younger brother 3: Ai Xicong (艾锡?) Graduated in law in Japan in[Waseda University] Was the top official of the in China when it was occupied by Japan (警察廳长) Passed first by Taiwan. **** Younger brother 4: Ai Xiying (艾锡?) **** Younger brother 5: Ai Xifu (艾锡?) Together with Ai Xiying, they were went to the Republic of China Military Academy and were high ranking officials in the war against the Japanese in the Later was a congressman in Taiwan. ** Younger sister: Ai Shiping (艾世?) ** Older brother: Zhao Yingjie. Studied law in Japan also at[Waseda University].

Many of them have had different names in different places/countries, notably many used the name 肇(Zhao) rather than 艾.

Further anecdotal indicators follow.

Ciro's wife and family are clearly of the[Manchu ethnicity] just by looking at them, and they originally lived in the North East of China

His wife's family name is the very unusual 艾, pronounced "ai4", which she claims is a reference to the 愛(also pronounced ai4) in[愛新覺羅], which is the name of the Manchu ruling clan of the Qing dynasty.

Ciro's father-in-law, who he barely met, was very old when he had his daughter, and passed away before Ciro could talk a lot with him, which is consistent with the claims that he spent several years in jail during <> purges, see also: <>.


  • 现在清朝皇室的后代现状如何? What is the current status of the descendants of the Qing royal family?
  • "Y Chromosome of Aisin Gioro, the Imperial House of Qing Dynasty" unknown year. Unfortunately Ciro's wife does not have an Y chromosome like her father. This does however mention the book used as a genealogy reference:愛新覺羅宗譜.html?id=Pj4EAQAAIAAJ 愛新覺羅宗譜 On Douban: gives ISBN 9787507713428 On Amazon unavailable:

.Ciro Santilli's portrait as Qing emperor.清郎世宁绘《清高宗乾隆帝朝服像》.jpg[Original image]. image::{cirosantilli-media-base}/CiroSantilliportraitasQingemperor.jpg[height=600]

[[preconceived]] ==== Ciro Santilli has a preconceived opinion about China that cannot be changed 三西猴对中国成见很深,无法改变

<> tries to justify why he think China would be <>, but I know that ultimately all of this is useless.

Everyone's opinions are all determined genetically and by <>, and there is nothing he can do to change yours, or you change his.

From that point of view, all of this is just a cold blooded political game, in which Ciro tries to force the CCP to take down the Firewall: <>.

Ciro never gets mad about China, even if your opinion is contrary to his, and therefore wrong.

Using the <> is one of the reasons why Ciro never gets mad.

Ciro also has doubts about the efficiency of certain things I do as expressed throughout this FAQ, e.g. <>.

Also, Ciro have never said that anyone else is wrong.

In the end, he just end up thinking about new replies to things people say to him, and add them to this FAQ so that future replies will be faster to copy paste. See also: <>.

The real goal of any online discussion, is not to convince people, but rather to determine who is an ally and who is not, and get those allies together to defeat the commies.

[[flg-bias]] ==== Does Ciro Santilli support FLG just because his wife and mother-in-law do it?

Not consciously, Ciro thinks would likely support them even if I didn't have family ties to <>.

Likely he wouldn't have started this campaign if he didn't know them of course.

But of course, this is impossible to answer objectively.

Wouldn't you be rather upset if your <>?

But don't you think that <> getting completely squashed by the Party illustrates extremely well the dangers of the dictatorship?

Or if a <> and told the world about its horrors, would you just dismiss their claims due to their biased opinion?

With that in mind, Ciro tries his best to give FLG only the right level of exposure I think it deserves relative to other events, according to these guidelines: <>.

If more recent events of mass human rights violations happen, especially affecting in the order of tens of million people, I will probably rank higher than Falun Gong, this was the case for <> for example, even though it only affected a measly million.

==== Why did Ciro Santilli start his keyword attack?

The last straw that led <> to start the <> on <> was when on March 2015 his girlfriend's mother was arbitrarily kept 15 days in jail for doing <>. He posted about this at:


I then continued because I hate political <>, and because <>.

[[ciro-santilli-mother-in-law-jail]] ===== Ciro Santilli's post when his mother-in-law was put into jail

Maybe some people would be happy if their mother-in-law were put into jail. But unfortunately, this wasn't the case for <>.

.<> with his soon-to-be mother-in-law before his wedding in 2017. Annoying? Sometimes. But threat to the fucking Chinese State? How fucked does your political system have to be for the answer to be a "yes"? image::{cirosantilli-media-base}/CiroSantilliwithhismotherinlawduringhisweddingin_2017.jpg[height=600]

====== Jail post en

My girlfriend's mother, a 63 year old lady, was kept 15 days inside a Chinese "correctional facility" because she does Falun Gong.

She had to stay all the time in a small room with a bed and a toilet, under video surveillance, being fed three meager meals a day.

I see Falun Gong as just another <> which causes no harm to its believers. The only reason that it is unofficially outlawed in China is because the communists fear it as a political competitor.

There was no trial and no explanation. She was going to take a train to visit her sister. But she didn't know that there was an important political event happening in the capital:'s_Congress So the police at the station, who already knew she did Falun Gong, took her away.

When she came back home, the house had been searched and was all messed up. Her religious books and computer were missing.

I'm glad she was not physically harmed. I find it fascinating how even well educated Chinese support a government which simply does not represent some of its people. How will you feel <>?

====== Jail post zh

Translation by <>:



我看过法轮功 只是一个和平的信仰,对相信它的人没有任何坏处。它在中国被非官方的定为违法(其实没有一项明确法律禁止),唯一的原因就是工产党害怕它是一个政治竞争对手。

没有审讯没有任何解释。她正准备坐火车去看她的姐姐。但是她并不知道那个时候有重要的政治会议正在首都进行:'s_Congress 所以那些知道她炼法轮功的铁路警察把她带走了。



====== Jail post pt

Translation by myself:

A mãe da minha namorada ficou 15 dias num "centro de correção" chines porque ela faz Falun Gong.

Ela ficou o tempo todo num quarto pequeno com uma cama e banheiro, sobe videovigilância, recebendo 3 refeições pequenas por dia.

Para mim, o Falun Gong é apenas mais uma religião moderada que não causa nenhum problema para seus crentes. A única razão pela qual ele é proibido na China é porque os comunistas tem medo dele como competidor politico.

Não houve julgamento nem explicação. Ela ia pegar um trem para ver sua irmã, mas ela não sabia que teria um evento político importante na capital:'s_Congress Então a polícia da estação, que já sabia que ela faz Falun Gong pegou ela.

Quando ela voltou pra casa, a casa tinha sido procurada pela polícia e estava uma bagunça. Os livros religiosos e seu computador foram confiscados.

Eu fico feliz apenas que ela não sofreu abuso físico. Eu acho fascinante como mesmo muitos chineses educados apoiam ainda um governo que não representa parte do povo. Como você vai se sentir quando algo do tipo acontecerá com a sua família, e você não pode fazer nada sobre isso?

===== Further details about Ciro Santilli's mother-in-law's persecution

March 2015: 15 days in jail for no reason:

June 2017: 3 cops came to her house. She was there. They asked if she still did Falun Gong. She said yes. They took photos of her Falun Gong books / posters. They were polite.

October 2017: 7 - 8 cops came to her house at 11PM. They knocked the door strongly and made noise, and questioned neighbours of her whereabouts. Luckily she was not there.

=== China is fine as it is, stop making it worse

Welcome to the wonderful world of democracy, a world where people can have different political opinions than you :-)

If you are so fine, why are you reading this at all? Go back to being fine.

See also:

  • <>
  • <>

[[i-like-my-dictatorship]] ==== I like my Dictatorship 我喜欢我的独裁统治

Ciro Santilli can understand that.

It must feel good to have <> in the <>, and let the black police <>.

But when the dictatorship turns again you our your family, will you fight, or will you just let them do whatever they want because they can never be wrong? See also: <>.

And when your son <>, will you just smile and accept it?

See: <>

[[seventeen-moments-of-spring]] ===== Seventeen Moments of Spring (1973)


<> mini-series about about Stierlitz, who is an undercover Soviet spy acting as a Nazi officer in <>.

As a fun note, it seems that <> is a Stierlitz fan:[], and Putin also served in Germany like Stierlitz, but in Dresden, which was in East Germany.

A scene from the awesome mini-series comes to mind when thinking about <>.

In Episode 7, Stierlitz travels on a train with a Nazi officer.

The war is almost over, and the desolate officer tells Stierlitz:

I told my children: I hate any democracy!

No democracy in our Reich!

Any democracy in our country is doomed to end up with one thing: the dictatorship of small shopkeepers.

The more freedom we have, the sooner we want to be controlled by SS troops again.

And then we want our the secret police back, and concentration death camps again, and the universal fear everywhere! Only then we feel calm and secure.

No need to prove your point of view in defending the fate of the homeland.

No responsibility.

Just raise your hand in honor of him, <>,

Just shout out "Hail Hitler!" and everything will become understandable.

No more worries.

. Seventeen Moments of Spring (1973), Episode 7, general confession scene. video::pc6DP1jNEec[youtube,height=400,width=600,start=2086]

It is amusing to see Soviet series criticizing dictatorships, given that the Soviet Union was itself a major dictatorship!

[[most-chinese-people-like-their-dictatorship]] ===== Most Chinese people like their dictatorship 中国大众支持他们的独裁

It is easy to reach an agreement, when everyone who disagrees goes to jail or gets killed for to <> or <>.

Also ask the millions of people who were affected by <>, <>, <> or <>.

One is reminded of the game["We Happy Few" (2018)], which which people are forced to be happy. <> also comes to mind of course.

. IGN review of the "We Happy Few" (2018) game. video::zndzntIDLFE[youtube,height=400,width=600]

.Westerner: "How is life in China?" Chinese: "Oh, we can't complain." Westerner: "That's awesome." Chinese: "No, seriously... we can't." is a word play between the more common "we can't complain because everything is great" and "we can't complain because <> will <>".[Source] image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Wecantcomplain.jpg[height=600]

[[chilling-effect]] ====== Chilling effect (寒蝉效应)


It is really interesting to see how many people star the <>, and then a few minutes later they think about how they might get put in jail, and then unstar it. <> is able to see this because the star notification remains in the GitHub dashboard even after unstarring. This is very rare in his other repositories.

[[intolerance]] ===== Most Chinese people don't care about the minorities

How can you be that certain that your children won't have dissident ideas and be punished unfairly for them?

Intolerance is a risky way to live. Everyone is part of one minority in one way. If all minorities were oppressed, everyone would be oppressed.

Dictatorships crush minorities much more than democracies.

Do think the majority of the Chinese people would vote to put 50 year old <> meditating <>, if the CCP hadn't made a huge propaganda campaign and used an iron fist?

Are the Chinese really that selfish to vote for this oppression, even as the <> would show videos of meditating old ladies in jail on national television? <> does not believe this.

Minorities are put in jail because the CCP fears them. Dictatorships can only survive if there is zero difference in opinion in the population.

The famous[First they came ...] text comes to mind in which <>:


First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out + Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out + Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out + Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me + and there was no one left to speak for me.

See also:

  • <>
  •[Intolerance (1916) film]

====== This is Ciro Santilli's personal problem, we have nothing to do with it, stop punishing us for it

We have to fight for justice for our fellows, or else when injustice happens to us, no one will fight for use either: <>.

Every form of protest incurs some damage. E.g., if we manifest on the street, it generates a traffic jam.

<> doesn't like it, but he thinks it is worth it.

If you just work to make money and have a good life, without any plans to improve the government, you are just making the economy of the dictatorship stronger, then when they start a <> or kill yet another minority, blood will also be on your hands. See also: <>.

[[stability]] ====== If anyone disagrees with the government they must be punished to keep the stability of the country

Destroying diversity is the best way to reach a point where everyone can agree to start <>.

The CCP thrives on the excessive <>.

How can society improve, if we are never allowed to try new things out?

Change in democracies does not require <>. Violence happens because the government punishes any dissidence, even if pacific, to retain its own power.

In democracies, radical policy changes happen without dropping a single drop of blood. People vote, and policies change, end of the story. In[JFK's] words:

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable

See also:


. Passage of Kennedy's discourse that contains the quote "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". video::Iwpr55PZEJ8[youtube,height=400,width=600]

=== There are bad things happening all over the world, why doesn't Ciro Santilli fight for those causes as well/instead?

We have to choose the one we think is the worst, and focus on it.

What is worse is a subjective choice. For <>:

  • he <>, see also: <>, and doesn't want it to get fucked further by the CCP
  • he hates dictatorships, and China is the largest one by population/GDP/link:[nuclear stockpile], and therefore <>

Ciro <> and <> are not infinite.

However, it is good that different people have different interests, and someone will surely be fighting for whatever cause you care about.

See also:

  • <>
  • <>
  • <>

[[western-democracies-are-not-perfect]] ==== Western democracies are not perfect 西方的民主有很多缺点

That is definitely true.

Nothing is perfect in this world.

<> just believes that they are way better than a <> like China, and that the Chinese government <>.

As link:[Churchill] once brilliantly link:[put it]:

Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

However, this is all obviously subjective, and believing that dictatorship is a better form of government is also a valid belief.

If you find an event on a Western democracy that you would like to highlight, send a pull request.

We will not however include events that are not currently censored.

Every country did fucked-up things in the past, the question is if they currently allow discussion about it or not.

Posts that only mention <> non-censored events without adding anything to the discussion will be marked as <> and treated as such, since spamming those is the primary <> technique to stop intelligent discussion.

The reason why "Evil China" posts are not shitposts in general on the other hand, is that they have one specific purpose: <>.

This "Western censorship[copypasta] string"[was posted automatically] by a bot during <> purge day:

North Dakota Access Pipeline Protests 北达科他州接入管道抗议 + Ferguson Riots 弗格森暴动 + 2017 St. Louis protests2017 年圣路易斯抗议活动 + Nuclear testing at Bikini Atoll 比基尼环礁的核试验 + Unite the Right rally 团结右集会 + Charlotte riots 夏洛特暴动 + Attack on the Sui-ho Dam 袭击穗河水坝 + Milwaukee riots 密尔沃基骚乱 + Shooting of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile 奥尔顿·斯特林和菲兰多·卡斯蒂利亚的射击 + Occupation of the Malheur NationalWildlife Refuge Malheur国家野生动物保护区的占领 + death of Freddie Gray 弗雷迪·格雷的死 + Shooting of Michael Brown迈克尔·布朗的拍摄 + death of Eric Garner, Oakland California 奥克兰奥克兰市埃里克·加纳(Eric Garner)逝世 + Operation Condor 神鹰行动 + Occupy WallStreet 占领华尔街 + My Lai Massacre 我的大屠杀 + St. Petersburg, Florida 佛罗里达州圣彼得堡 + Kandahar Massacre 坎大哈屠杀 + 1992 Washington Heights riots 1992年华盛顿高地暴动 + No Gun Ri Massacre 无枪杀案 + L.A. Rodney King riots 洛杉矶罗德尼·金暴动 + 1979 Greensboro Massacre 1979年格林斯伯勒大屠杀 + Vietnam War 越南战争 + Kent State shootings肯特州枪击案 + Bombing of Tokyo 轰炸东京 + San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing 旧金山警察局公园站爆炸案 + Assassination of MartinLuther King, Jr. 小马丁·路德·金遭暗杀。 + Long Hot Summer of 1967 1967年炎热的夏天 + Bagram 巴格拉姆 + Selma to Montgomery marches 塞尔玛到蒙哥马利游行 + Highway of Death 死亡之路 + Ax Handle Saturday 星期六斧头 + Battle of Evarts 埃瓦茨战役 + Battle ofBlair Mountain 布莱尔山战役 + McCarthyism 麦卡锡主义 + Red Summer 红色夏天 + Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 + Pottawatomie massacre 盆大屠杀 + Jeju uprising 济州起义 + Colfaxmassacre 科尔法克斯大屠杀 + Reading Railroad massacre 阅读铁路大屠杀 + Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 + Bay viewMassacre 湾景大屠杀 + Lattimer massacre 拉蒂默大屠杀 + Ludlow massacre 拉德洛屠杀 + Everett massacre 埃弗里特屠杀Centralia Massacre 中部大屠杀 + Ocoee massacre Ocoee大屠杀 + Herrin Massacre 赫林大屠杀 + Redwood Massacre红木大屠杀 + Columbine Mine Massacre 哥伦拜恩矿难 + Guantanamo Bay 关塔那摩湾 + extraordinary rendition 非凡的演绎 + Abu Ghraib torture and prison abuse 阿布格莱布的酷刑和监狱虐待 + Henry Kissinger 亨利·基辛格

Some quick replies to the idiotic things wumaos like to post:

  •[George Floyd]乔治·弗洛伊德之死[乔治·弗洛伊德之死]: the murder video went viral and was not taken down (would have been in China), all four officers were charged, and the event sparked nation wide protests + And the Chinese are also obviously at least as racist, if not more: + Wumao example:

See also:

  • <>
  • <>
  • <>
  • <>

.[Signe Wilkinson] 2017 Free Speech "Can you just move it so it doesn't cover them?" umbrella cartoon. Ciro once saw a <> post this. It made him smile. If the cartoon were about <>,[Uncle Sam] would be instead <>. Of course humans are <>, but at least that system makes it harder for them to oppress each other.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Freespeechumbrella.jpg[height=400]

===== Western democracies have invaded other countries and crushed separatism

Yes, <>.

What matters is that citizens can disagree with those actions, publicly say it, vote accordingly, and not go to jail, so that policy will be changed if the majority so wants.

In China, the minority controls the majority, and the majority cannot say anything even if they disagree.

If the majority wants to do evil however, evil will get done, it is impossible to prevent that.

See also:

  • <>
  • <>

[[hate-speech]] ===== Western democracies also censor subjects such as child porn and hate speech

First, child porn and hate speech are also banned in China, so shut up. <> is less free in <>.

Second, if you don't think child porn should be banned, there isn't much point in arguing with you.

Now, hate speech is a very complex subject. <> does feel that we should be very careful when banning hate speech, and he is not sure if it should be banned at all, as perhaps it might just make matters worse.

But of course, there is censorship in Western democracies, and there is a gray area between what should be censored or not.

<> only argues that there is on type of speech that must never ever be <>: political speech.

This way, the majority can always discuss and vote to change what can be censored or not.

In China, trying to discuss such changes in laws <>, so bad laws cannot be changed.

Otherwise, this leads to extremely serious problems:

  • <>: politicians can <> anything bad that they did to stay in power
  • <>: if the CCP leaders decide that a war must be made, everyone who opposes it will go to jail, and the war will be made
  • <>: if the CCP decides that <> is <>, this minority gets fucked

Deciding on hate speech, means having to decide what level of hardcoreness we are willing to accept, and there is no clear right or wrong answer.

For example, which of the following do you think should be banned:

  • This scientific study suggests that white people do less well in IQ tests.
  • This scientific study suggests that black people do less well in IQ tests.
  • I'm an idiotic irrational racist and I dislike white/black people. I won't kill them, but I dislike them, and I can't change that, I'm really sorry.
  • Let's all gather together and kill our black/white/gay/straight/Muslim/Christian neighbours tomorrow.
  • Let's all gather together and kill our oppressive dictator/president tomorrow.

Ciro believes that none of the above should ever be censored, because any form of "hate-speech censorship" immediately opens a precedent for political censorship.

If someone is idiotic enough to organize illegal acts like hurting someone publicly before doing it, it will just make it easier for them to get caught.

And if its just empty words, just block those idiots to not see their posts, or downvotes their posts to reduce their impact.

And if the majority supports idiotic acts like killing someone because of their race, it will get done in a democracy regardless, because that's what democracies do: they cater to what the majority wants.

There's not point in censoring them. Such censorship only makes things worse, as the perpetrators will use that as publicity for their cause.

Recent cases in which Ciro feel that Western countries have gotten it wrong:

  • 2020-05-29 Twitter "hides Trump tweet for 'glorifying violence'". The people elected that idiot, Twitter leftists have to swallow that.
  • 2020-08 Kevin Cernekee fired from Google for conservative views ** 2020-08-27 "Internal Google memo claimed conservative whistleblower promoted alt-right views" ** It appears to be legal in the US for companies to fire employees based on political beliefs: + *** + <> however believes that discussing politics at work is not an efficient way to go about it, because you will be discussion amongst a small group of people since companies are opaque to the outside. Unless maybe if you feel that you employee is directly attempting to influence politics in a way that you feel is unfair. + Ciro believes without evidence that unfortunately anti-discrimination-hiring laws are likely inefficient, as it is too hard to convict anyone. And that providing equal education through scholarships to unprivileged groups and university entry selection where examiners cannot see the applicant's race is the only way.

See also:

  • <>
  • <>

[[life-of-brian-1979]] ===== Life of Brian (布莱恩的一生, 1979)


This movie was almost banned in Britain at the time due to lobbying by Christian groups as shown in <>.

Key scenes:

  • <>

====== The secret Life of Brian (2007)

Documentary about <>.

Key points:

  • <>


[[snowden]] ===== Snowden 斯诺登


Censoring anyone who says "my president is shit", which is what China does, is much, much more serious than censoring intelligence leaks.

The problem with dictatorships, is that they make every information that makes them look bad a "state secret". Including any information that hundreds of thousands of people have witnessed, or economic performance metrics! See also: <>.

The level of unknown surveillance that Snowden uncovered is a bad thing about the US.

Snowden's prosecution was inevitable. Countries need secret services. Secret services need laws that prevent leaking classified information that was produced by government officials.

<> has never and will never criticize China or any other country for spying or prosecuting spies.

If Snowden were Chinese, the Chinese government would ban talking about him or anything he uncovered. A <> with "Snowden" in the West has no effect.

It is obvious that the level of surveillance in any dictatorship will be infinitely higher, since the Government has much more power and no-one can criticize.

On the West however, the debate Snowden sparked cannot be censored, and has helped to control excessive and secret state power.

Ultimately, Ciro thinks camera surveillance is somewhat inevitable, because people will always want to fight crime and terrorism and surveillance technology keeps getting cheaper and cheaper.

He is however strictly against the ban of cryptography.

He also believes that a good solution to balance out government power is the second amendment. It is better to have more school shootings and less full-blown dictatorship led genocides / mass human rights violations.

In 2019 China amusingly censored passages Snowden's "Permanent Record" autobiography book, which Snowden then published on Twitter:

  • ([archive])
  • ([archive]).

As a[Redditor put it]:

I don't think they understand that what Snowden stands for is completely the opposite of what the Chinese gov is lol

Snowden then later released the entire Chinese version of the book for free online with the censored parts underlined: ([archive]), link to the book: link:++ One wonders why he didn't just do that in the first place for all versions, maybe he needed to pay the writer that helped him?

.Snowden highlighted defects on abuses of power in a Western democracy, and the discussion he sparked helped to control such abuses.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Snowden.jpg[height=400]

===== Fake news

When a government controls all information to make it look good, and no one can challenge it, you cannot trust any of the news produced by that country, as anything could be fake.

It is much better to have some fake news, but also few sources that are likely telling the truth.

===== Bad things have been done in the name of freedom

E.g.:[September 11th].

Bad things have been done in the name of anything.

It's just that <>, <> <> are done without freedom than with it.

Democracies cannot necessarily protect weak countries from powerful ones either. No political system can do that, because humans are trash essentially.

What democracy do is to protect its own people against its own government. Because when the government turns against part of the population in a dictatorship, that part of the population gets crushed entirely, without any chance to fight, because they don't have an army or ally countries like other countries do.

Here are some images that <>'s like to post:

  • Left Right Slaughterhouse comic:

[[ccp-evil]] === Is the Chinese government evil? 中国共产党是邪恶吗?

Obviously not, just <> and <>.

It is just another non-democratic empire like the Qing Dynasty, we might as well cal it:

共产朝 + The Communist Dynasty

Expression previously mentioned at:

Like any other organization and individual everywhere in the entire world, they are just doing everything that they can to maintain their own power.

It just happens that China's the current is political system allows the CCP to do really bad things.

And it should also be noted that <> that China currently has this shitty system.

<> thinks otherwise of course, they think the CCP is actually made up of devils in some dimension: <>.

==== Chinese politicians really care about the Chinese citizens

Sometimes people say Ciro Santilli is naive.

Politicians are the same all over the world.

Some might have good intentions, but don't give a shit about anyone else.

But all must play a careful political game, and sometimes betray their own beliefs to not lose power entirely.

China's problem is not its politicians.

It's the current shitty political organization, which allows/convinces those politicians to do really bad things: <>, <> and <>.

==== Is Chinese politician X evil?

The term evil does not make sense unless you are <>.

The best definition of evil is a psychopath with zero empathy for anyone: although this can be better characterized as a disease or extreme personality trait.

The huge majority of those politicians are just regular dudes with a knack for politics but brought up in a fucked up political situation.

Just like you, Ciro Santilli and other politicians in any country.

See also: <>.

[[nazi]] === Comparisons between the CCP and Nazi Germany 纳粹德国


  • Xitler (习特勒). 习 "xi2" is very close in sound to the Chinese name of Hitler:阿道夫·希特勒希特勒
  • Chinazi (赤纳粹). TODO why 赤. Means Red, but where else is it used?
  • link:[Reductio ad Hitlerum]

The most notable aspect is the persecution of minorities of course, notably <> and <> which closely ressembles that of the Jews, see also: <>.


  • 这么好的人民,不倒点霉都对不起他们 "These are such good people, if they have a bit of bad luck, excuse them." article by yashalong 押沙龙 published on <>. The article discusses how Nazi Germany propaganda worked, without mention to the CCP, but it was still apparently[banned in China].

See also: <>.

.Photoshopped <> with raised fist with Nazi uniform and flag on the background.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/XiNaziwarflag.jpg[height=400]

.Likely original or similar image of <> with raised fist as he took oath when coming into or renewing office.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xiraised_fist.jpg[height=400]

.German's 1938-1945 war flag called the "War Ensign of Germany" in English or "Reichskriegsflagge" in German.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Naziwarflag.png[height=400]

.Hitler has of course a few raised fists on Google Images, but they tend to be more aggressive, and less compatible with Xi's apathic poker face.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Hitlerangryrehearsal.jpg[height=400]

.Photoshopped cover of Mein Kampf with Xi's face on top of Hitler's and other modifications such as Mian instead of Mein, likely the same 面 (mian4, face) as the Chinese character at the bottom right.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Ximein_kampf.jpg[height=400]

.Original cover of Mein Kampf. link:++,1943).pdf++[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Meinkampf.jpg[height=400]

.Photoshopped photo of Hitler giving the Nazi salute from a car with Himmler on the background with Xi's face on top of Hitler's.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/XiNazicarsalutephotoshop.jpg[height=400]

.Original photo of Hitler giving the Nazi salute from a car with Himmler on the background.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/HitlerHimmlersalute.jpg[height=400]

.Chinazi flag by <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests,Hong Kong protesters>>. Seen【盛世一景】赤纳粹旗(chinazi-flag)/[on streets].[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Chinaziflag.png[height=400]

[[xi-salute-young-pioneers-nazi]] .Xi Jinping basically <> kids from <> in Beijing, June 1, 2015. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xiscout_salute.jpg[height=500]

. <> video "Can We Compare China to Nazi Germany?" published on 2020-04-29. Good side-by-side video comparisons. Says that China is mor like Nazi than <>, but Ciro disagrees, all three are <>. video::wD53MEbLDIE[youtube,height=400,width=600]

=== Personal questions about Ciro Santilli

==== Can I contact you in Chinese?

If you don't know English well enough, that's fine though, go for Chinese.

But if you do, use English.

I am not going to learn Chinese because of your message.

It is more productive for you to write in English, so that the rest of the West can also learn something new.

Especially since it seems that most Chinese already know what you are talking about.

See also: <>.

[[slang]] ===== I am going to use a bunch of Chinese slangs because it makes me feel smart 我知道网络语言,我很聪明

Obviously, if you want to be understood, use simple and standard Chinese, since as Ciro has already stated clearly, his Chinese sucks: <>.

Avoid slangs, otherwise Ciro might not have patience to Google your useless slangs down <> questions.

Of course, if you have to read this, you likely are not going to say anything useful in the first place, so not reading your post is likely fine, just make sure to mark it as a <> if you don't want Ciro to think you are a complete idiot.

Using slangs makes some people feel smart due their advanced knowledge of a specific subculture, or makes them feel part of that subculture to gather allies, or they just want to waste Ciro's time.

It mainly comes down to a way of avoiding any rational conversation about China's obvious problems by highlighting <>.

Such idiots don't see however that every major slang is Googleable, and that every overly obscure slang is already not understandable by a large part of the Chinese population, and won't be understood by anybody in 5 years, so that you are wasting your time writing this gibberish. But since you are an idiot, it's not like you have anything better to do with your time, so maybe it doesn't matter.

If you want to efficiently prevent anyone from understanding your stuff, Ciro recommends that you just use SHA-256 instead:

.... $ printf 'heil xi' | sha256sum 286b183bf41d6c9de5315bbd64f1ca35a58157ae2e7f38086978c108e67c4882 - ....

A Chinese insult tip 101, avoid similar sound euphemisms. If you are going to say shit at least grow some balls or tits and use the proper characters, Ciro will respect you more for it:

  • 屄 cunt, most often for傻屄[傻屄] ** 逼 *** "sb" *** "B":
  • 肏 fuck: 操
  • 傻 idiot: 沙
  • 屌 dick: 雕

Places to try and decrypt Internet slang when you feel like wasting your time:

  •中国大陆网络用语列表 ** "网络用语" is the most common word for "Internet Slang", so also useful for Google searches **

[[vagina]] .A also known as cunt (屄), is the female reproductive organ, including the naturally occurring black hole that appears in front of it whenever a picture is taken to prevent <> from taking down this page. Even though <>, there's no need to be afraid of it, and refer to it in euphemisms like "SB".[Background source] and[black hole source]. image::{cirosantilli-media-base}/Rugaevaginaleswithblack_hole.jpg[height=400]

[[shitpost]] ===== I want to take my chances and make a shitpost in cirosantilli/china-dictatorship

So, have you reached the conclusion that your[shitpost] is[worth the risk of getting blocked]?

Remember that shitposts can also be creative: if you are going to insult Ciro Santilli, at least do it in a creative way, or else you look like an even bigger idiot than you really are.

A collection of shitposts for you to take inspiration from can be found at:

Also, when opening a shitpost you may mark it clearly such with the shitpost issue template which automatically assigns the shitpost label. Doing so will make you look like less of an idiot.

While we require polite replies to polite posts, no matter what which side they are defending, if a post is marked as a shitpost, things are much more relaxed and fun, and you can generally get away with telling the OP to fuck themselves[without getting blocked].

.Real shit photos may be posted in reply to shitposts.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Shit.jpg[height=400]

.Amazing shitposts may recieve a Golden Shit award. The image is from a Japanese[Kin no unko (金のうんこ)], which is likely inspired by[golden Sycees].[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Kinnounko.jpg[height=500]

.To censor or not to censor good shitposts: that is not the question, <> will never censor them![Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Like_shitposts.jpg[height=600]

.The legendary[Grass Mud Horse 草泥马 (caonima)] is also said to appear in shitposts from time to time. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Caonima.jpg[height=600]

===== I am going to write a huge text to prove my point

Feel free to do that, but no one will ever read most of it.

If you want your comment to be read, choose your key point well, and deliver it.

It is a shame that most people who are ever able to do that are <>, but credit where credit is due.

==== Has Ciro Santilli you ever lived in China?

Not as of 2019, he has only visited once in 2012, and it was <>.

.Ciro Santilli with a stone carved[Budai (布袋和尚)] in the[Feilai Feng caves (飞来峰)] near the[Lingyin Temple (灵隐寺)] in Hangzhou taken during his legendary 2012 touristic trip to China. Will he ever be able to go to China again to re-experience such marvelous locations? If the CCP falls before he dies, and if the statue hasn't been destroyed by the commies, Ciro will return to that exact spot and take a second picture. How will he look like? image::{cirosantilli-media-base}/CiroSantilliwithastonecarvedBudaiintheFeilaiFengcavesneartheLingyinTempleinHangzhouin_2012.jpg[height=500]

But he doesn't think it is a good idea for him to do that now, in case his Visa got accepted, because he is not interested in learning about the Chinese jail system! :-)

He knows that if you don't mind contributing to making <> deadlier and shut up and obey the CCP, China is already a fine place to live as much as any other developing country.

===== Would Ciro Santilli like to live in China?

If the dictatorship ends, <> would like to <> if given a decent job to help China develop and become awesomer.

Before the Dictatorship, Ciro likely won't be able to enter/it wouldn't be a good idea: <>.

And it is immoral to help make dictatorships richer by working for their companies: <>.

===== Would Ciro Santilli be able to visit China before the CCP ends?

It would be interesting to apply for a VISA to find out.

But Ciro won't do it because it is too risky that it would be a waste of Ciro's precious <>.

Firstly,[Jamal Khashoggi] taught us that walking into enemy into consulates of enemy countries is a bad idea.

Then, even if the VISA were accepted, Ciro could still be turned back on entering the country, thus wasting the flight time and money. This could either be a genius plot to waste the money of enemies of the state, or due to a crappy divided IT system between the border control and the VISA people.

Finally, even after the border, there is still the possibility that Ciro could be stopped in the country half-way through the visit and sent back, or be interrogated for a few days, or less likely murdered with poison.

Therefore, if you think that living in China is fundamental to understand it, please just explain what you think one can learn from the experience instead. Do you really need to live there to see its censorship machine working? It would arguably be harder to see it from the inside.

See also: <>.


[[is-ciro-santilli-chinese]] ==== Is Ciro Santilli Chinese? 三西猴是中国人吗?


And it does not matter: <>.

But <>.

[[does-ciro-santilli-speak-chinese]] ==== Does Ciro Santilli speak Chinese? 三西猴会说中文吗?

As of 2019, oral enough for daily things, but not understand most natural casual dinner conversation or watch TV series, because they go too quickly into vocabulary subject areas that he doesn't know.

When it matters, and with some patience, he can make himself understood though with analogies and a dictionary.

From the HSK vocabulary list, he estimates that he is definitely HSK 3, but not quite HSK 4. This would likely equate A2/B1 in the[European system].

Phonetics wise, Ciro can't distinguish or produce a few sounds, notably

and his off-tone rate is high, but it tends to not matter at all compared to his lack of vocabulary.

Ciro reads with link:[Perapera] when he wants to learn new words/has patience/something is very important, and can basically understand everything in that way.

When he has no patience or for larger not very important chunks of text though, he reads with Google Translate as it tends to work, and then if there is an important sentence that was translated to garbage with Perapera.

Ciro writes with a mixture of link:[Pleco], Google translate and Googling to see if Chinese actually say the sentences that way, never Google translate alone as it would be too imprecise.

Ciro really wishes he could learn more Chinese. Ciro really loves the Chinese language. But he has other more important endeavors at the moment. There simply aren't enough hours in a day.

Spoken Chinese is in Ciro's opinion a relatively easy language to learn from scratch, because word formation is so often logical:, e.g.:

  • volcano = fire + mountain: 火山(huo shan)
  • train = fire + car: 火车 (huo che), a reference to old[steam locomotives]

and there is no useless crap like[verb grammatical conjugation],[grammatical gender],[plural inflection], capitalization, etc. ([latino sine flexione] anyone?)

Ciro <> because <>, but he did learn some of the most common ones without trying.

Yes, Chinese characters are:

  • beautiful
  •[maybe you can read faster]
  •[vertical text (纵排)] is awesome (but is it more efficient?[Zhihu],[Quora]).
  • more historically stable, and you can still read/learn more or less quickly to read[texts written more than two thousand years ago]

but they just take too much time for any sane person adult to learn, it's harder than {cpp}!

Ciro initially learnt from book that come with audio recordings in the first 6-months to 1 year in 2010, but that got impossibly boring afterward, so he later moved to just basically talking as much as possible non-important things to <>, and whenever he reaches one that he doesn't know that seems useful, he Plecos it up or just 怎么说 to his <> and then Pleco.

It should also be mentioned that Ciro also feels that it would be better if all countries more officially adopted English as an international language that everyone should learn for reasons explained at:

[[chinese-characters-are-insane]] ===== Chinese characters are insane 汉字是疯狂的

Maybe the commies for once <> by introducing[simplified Chinese characters (简化字)]?

But they should have gone further and reduced it to pinyin like the Korean and Vietnamese did, this will make your culture much easier to export.

No foreign adult will every learn to read and write Chinese unless they are completely obsessed by the culture or need it as part of their jobs. And even then, they will avoid it at all costs, because life is just too short!

<> smirked when he came across the character "蒄" in Pleco, and the translation was: "meaning unknown (herb mentioned in old books)". Yes, at the word level, the same like exists in phonetic systems, but that it takes up a modern dictionary and Unicode slot is still funny.

Japanese[furigana] also comes to mind. The characters are so insane that you need a well specified and widely used phonetic reading aid!

Posts that express similar ideas:

  • <>

.The "fictional" Chinese character "Dou" from[Uncyclopedia] is roughly translated as "Impossibly complex pictogram-based writing system that takes a person a thousand thousand years to learn." and illustrates well why pictograms are a bad idea.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Chinesecharacterextreme.svg[height=400]

.The Sweet Brown[Ain't Nobody Got Time for That] meme ([knowyourmeme]) fits perfectly into how Ciro feels about learning Chinese characters. image::{cirosantilli-media-base}/Sweetbrownchinesecharacters_meme.jpg[height=500]

//// . "The most complex Chinese character" by Vladimir Skultety does a reasonable analysis of which Chinese character is the most complex video::tcbW5JK9WM[youtube,height=400,width=600] ////

[[evil-chinese-characters-by-ted-chiang]] ====== 坏汉字 by Ted Chiang

Ciro's <> was mentioned in a related Zhihu answer: <>.

[[radical]] ==== Is Ciro Santilli a radical?

Saying that someone is a radical is useless <>.

If you want to say something useful, give specific reasons why you think one specific thing that <> said is incorrect.

Do you consider him a radical because it is unthinkable that China is not perfect?

Or just because he's trying to <> some more websites that your dictatorship still does not dislike enough to block: <>?

Don't you think that it is much more radical to <> and <>?

Ciro doesn't think either China or West is perfect: <>.

He's just listing arguments why he thinks democracy is better, e.g.: <>, <>.

See also:

  • <>
  • <>

And Ciro never gets mad. Only a slightly sad or annoyed sometimes.

But maybe no radical ever considers themselves a radical? Hmmm...

Or maybe: link:[The Dark Knight - Some Men Just Want To Watch The World Burn]?

==== Are you a SJW?

SJW: there is a seed of SJW in me.

One major difference between me and the stereotypical SJW is that I never engage in lengthy discussions.

I limit myself to listening as much as I can to learn new arguments.

So the rationale of my actions is not to convince anyone, but rather:

  • increase the monetary cost of censorship by binding politics to tech
  • group up like-minded people who don't like censorship

See also: <>

[[does-ciro-santilli-hate-china]] ==== Does Ciro Santilli hate China? 三西猴讨厌中国吗?

On the contrary. China has his favorite:

  • <>
  • <>
  • <>
  • history
  • nature
  • culture, notably: ** intense respect for older people. Whenever Ciro was with his <> and asked for help from young Chinese people, they were extremely nice. + It is hard to understand how the same people have not managed to speak up when <>. Only the extreme fear of also going to jail could explain it. Living in China is living in constant fear if you can think for yourself. ** enormous importance given to education. One must not forget however: grades are useless, and all that matters is how much you improve society

And because of that: <>.

As link:[Bjarne] said:

There are only two kinds of programming languages: those people always bitch about and those nobody uses

Ciro only focus here on negative things to provide content that will <>.

持华反党 + 爱国恨党

[[yuyuan-garden]] .Round gate at[Yu Garden 豫园] in Shanghai. link:++[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Yuyuangardendoor.jpg[height=600]

[[chinese-traditional-painting]] ===== Chinese traditional painting 中国传统绘画

See also: <>.

Some free online collections:

  • Smithsonian collection at a search for Paintings before 1800. Drill down further by "topic" e.g. "Mountains" or "scholar" **

."Plum, orchid, bamboo, chrysanthemum" (梅兰竹菊) painting by[Zheng Xie (郑燮)] representing the[four gentlemen (四君子)]. Ciro is a big fan of[traditional Chinese bird-and-flower painting (花鸟画)] like this.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Fourgentlemen.jpg[height=600]

===== Why does Ciro Santilli love China so much?

<> does not <>, but sometimes he's tempted to.

It is interesting how different people get <>!

Of course, the fact that his wife is Chinese and <> may or may not have played a role in it :-)

It was like this: Ciro started getting interested in Chinese culture, then he started hanging out with Chinese people, and then he started hanging out with his wife!

So yes, it is a chicken and egg type of thing. The fact that she is one of the most intelligent, morally upright, cute, and "never give up" person I know may have helped me choose too.

[[selfish]] ==== Ciro Santilli's China freedom campaign is selfish

See also:

  • <>
  • <>
  • <>

[[famous]] ===== Ciro Santilli is doing his China freedom campaign to become famous

No, he am a selfless human being, only concerned with the greater well being of humankind.

More serious answer:

  • he believes in this. As evidence, it has limiting effects on his technological career: <>, and he doesn't think he can/wants to become a politician in China if the CCP ever falls
  • the more famous Ciro is, the more impact he will have in the future
  • the more famous Ciro is, the more feedback he have that what he's been doing has been working

Keyword: attention whore.

Duplicate pool:


===== Ciro Santilli is doing his China freedom campaign because it makes him feel important

See: <>.

===== Ciro Santilli is doing his China freedom campaign to vent off his anger

No, he is not angry at all, see also: <>.

[[cia-funding]] ===== Is Ciro Santilli's china-dictatorship campaign funded or otherwise supported by some organization?

Sure, the CIA sends Ciro 10 thousand USD checks from time to time, but that doesn't change at all what he would be doing.

Just kidding.

A shady supporting organization might require that he does not disclose their support, so maybe the best answer is that you will never know for sure.

Of course, a hidden support would represent a reputation hit for both such organizations and for me, which makes it less likely that I would have accepted or had such an offer.

Also consider Ciro's motivation. If your <>, for following the same religion that <>, and if you had a social media presence, wouldn't you be tempted to do the same?

What about you, are you funded by the CCP?

See also:

==== Would Ciro Santilli be doing his China freedom campaign if he was in China?

Not with his real name attached to it, see also:

  • <>
  • <>

===== Does your employer support this?

My employer has nothing to do with this.

He doesn't approve or disapprove of the Chinese government or of my private actions.

The only thing that my employer does believe in is that employees can have their own political opinions, and that this should not affect hiring decisions.

Obviously, this action limits my ability to lead high profile deals with China.

Also I'm quite curious if this would limit my ability to go to China for business, but I haven't applied for a visa since I've started this. It likely wouldn't be a good idea for me to go to China :-)

But my employer believes that inclusion and non-discrimination are more valuable.

I will always do my best to not let my personal opinions affect my professional decisions, as that would be unfair to my employer.

[[better-to-do]] ==== Doesn't Ciro Santilli have anything better to do than pissing off China?

In 1989, besides <> and <>'s birth, a beautiful thing called the World Wide Web was invented!

The Internet gives everyone the magic power of writing something, and having million people read it for free!

This is how much time Ciro spends on this project to give you an idea:

  • every week or two, someone sends me a message, he reply with "read the FAQ", and usually update
  • Ciro amongst many other programming subs, and all major bad news show up there. See also: <>
  • when something bad enough comes up, Ciro go to and update <>. He's only been updating it on Stack Overflow and GitHub these days.

Then Ciro just contributes to programming websites exactly as he would if he weren't making this campaign, and voila.

Edit: to be fair, the end of 2019 and start of 2020 was such as hot year with <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>> and <> that Ciro might have spent a tiny little bit more ;-)

But Ciro did it only when his brain was too tired of technical stuff and unable to do more, or as a brain warm up routine in the morning.

Telling the CCP to fuck off is surprisingly relaxing, you should try it some time too. It uses a different part of your brain other than the programming one. It is, one could say, an art form.

=== People in China have already considered democracy, and rejected it

OK, shall we put that to an anonymous vote just to make sure?

Dear sir or madam: do you want more control over your government? y/n

Oops, I forgot that <>, nevermind.

[[violence]] === Would it be right to use violence to overthrow the CCP?

In an ideal world, Ciro Santilli is of course "against violence".

But what if you could prevent a lot of future violence with some violence today?

Ah, the eternal question which only God can answer:

  • "What is the origin of the quote 'The end justifies the means?'" **[Consequentialism] **[Trolley problem]
  • link:[Nonviolent-resistance]

Do you really think that the communists will step down if you ask them nicely enough? Even after <>?

A quote from[V for Vendetta (2005)] comes to mind:

Q: If they do, what do you think will happen [the people protest against their Government]?

A: What usually happens when people without guns stand up to people with guns.

[[v-for-vendetta]] . V for Vendetta (2005) "What you think will happen" scene. video::TcoBv6ibh8M[youtube,height=400,width=600]

How do you think the CCP or any other party got into power and maintained that power in the first place? Obviously[through violence]. And likely due to earlier <>.

And the CCP actually uses "the ends justify the means" as an argument to justify its own actions: <>.

The question of if anything is morally right or wrong makes no sense. All that matters is: what is the government that maximizes the happines of its own people, and who has the power to do what? <> is part of the equation, but so is <>.

If you do decide to strike though, <>.

For "violence is illegal" arguments, see also: <>.

.One baby <> or 5 Million Jews[trolley problem] illustrates well the moral dillema of["the ends justify the means"]. image::{cirosantilli-media-base}/BabyHitlervs5millionJewstrolleyproblem.jpg[height=400]

==== It is fine for the CCP to treat some of its citizens unfairly if the majority is better off

Basically same discussion as: <> but with the tables turned.

See also: <>

[[dictatorship]] === Why does Ciro Santilli say that China is a dictatorship? 中国不是独裁!

Ciro is using the word in an slightly extended/joking sense.

Maybe "authoritarian" is a more precise term, but it is just too much of a mouthful.

In particular, dictatorships are harder to sustain than authoritarianism, since it generally implies even less freedom, and a single leader whose death can destabilize everything.

The CCP is more like a social class with a large number of members and various sub-layers, and it is therefore much harder to take down on the other hand.

Dictatorship is becoming link:[more and more precise under Xi] however.

Even <> admits it and put it into the constitution:[People's democratic dictatorship 人民民主专政], so funny.

Well known <> that also call China a dictatorship:

  • 2020-01-29 "Coronavirus Spreads, and the World Pays for China's Dictatorship"
  • 2018-03-04 "Xi Jinping's power play: from president to China's new dictator?"
  • 2017-10-11 "Under Xi Jinping, China is turning back to dictatorship"

Further discussions about this useless terminology question:


[[keyword-attack]] === What is a screen name keyword attack?

Adding censored words to your username:

This only works on websites that show usernames everywhere.

This then leads to your username appearing on thousands of pages, depending on how much you contribute to the website.

It is also possible to do it with images, although this is less effective in taking down websites since images are harder for the firewall to track automatically. But:

  • they are more memorable than words
  • they also work on websites like GitHub where your real name does not show on most pages, only slug

so maybe the most effective approach is to use both keywords and images to get the best of both worlds ;-)

.<> has been used by Ciro Santilli as a profile picture censored image attack image::{cirosantilli-media-base}/ChrysanthemumXiJinpingwithblackredliusiaddedbyCiroSantilli.jpg[height=400]

This type of attack is essentially an <>.

See also: <>.

[[cute-cat-theory-of-digital-activism]] ==== Cute cat theory of digital activism (可愛貓理論)


Someone told <> a while after he had started doing his <> on <>, he didn't know about it before, but it is basically what he was doing.

You can never invent anything new anymore nowadays!

This is especially relevant to <>! And GitHub's mascot is also a cat ;-) Some mentions of this:

  • 2020-09-09
  • 2020-09-09



===== Collateral Freedom

<> people called a <>-related project of theirs "Collateral Freedom" (a reference to[collateral damage]), in which they seem to be trying to forward censored websites somehow through AWS to force the Chinese Government to block the entire AWS in China:

Collateral Freedom ties access to information to the Chinese economy. If [authorities] truly want to block access to this information, then they must give up certain access to economic freedoms.

2015 coverage:

There's an useless Wiki page for that: clarifies that on Amazon S3 the question is about:


the second of which can be easily blocked by domain, but the first can't, and how amazon was planning on killing the first option.

[[anti-ccp-info-sources]] ==== What are the best sources of anti-CCP news?[], see also: <>

Catches all the important news.

A large part of the posts has controversial material.

Has some noise of course as well, but less than other media I find.

Highly worth your feed.

Reddit was banned in China in August 2018:

Tencent will invest 150 million on Reddit in 2019: See also: <>.

[[reddit]] ===== Reddit subs with lots of anti-commie info

  • is arguably the best as of 2020, see also: <>
  • small as of 2020 but promising
  • had 3x more users than r/china as of 2020 after <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>>.
  • for <>
  • China Circle Jerk subs (CCJ). TODO: these appear to be politically incorrect subs, but they do seem to allow anti-commit info. As of 2020, they were either banned or private: ** **
  • 3k subs 2020

TODO review:


====== r/sino

Any comment critical of China and mods immediately ban you, e.g. on 2020-08-21 at which is related to <>, <> commented:

Let's see how long it takes them to block my repo/account: |

The ban message is:

You have been permanently banned from participating in r/Sino. You can still view and subscribe to r/Sino, but you won't be able to post or comment.

Try[r/westerner] TRASH doesn't get by mods here. Tiananmen Square is vindicated by China's development. Anti terror system in Xinjiang is working. End result for HK is the same since 1997, regardless of rioters. Scientology-esque FLG/Shen Yun cult show has failed for decades, if you believe their claims, it's all of them losing badly.

Dec 31 China informed WHO about mysterious pneumonia. Jan 11 Chinese reveal virus genome Jan 23 Wuhan quarantine - businessinsider/sciencemag

You had the genome and saw the lengths China went to. Don't blame others for failing months later.

US accused of 'modern piracy' after diversion of masks meant for Europe - theguardian

Democracies Are Better at Fighting Outbreaks - theatlantic XD

The US leads in coronavirus cases, but not pandemic response - sciencemag XD

Beliefs of founder cultleader of Falun Gong from own lectures on official falundafa site

==== Where can I find good words for a keyword attack?

  • List of blacklisted keywords in China ** **中华人民共和国网络审查
  •[Complete GFW Rulebook for Wikipedia v3.0]
  • This is was an amazing source, extremely comprehensive and up-to-date, but the series was stopped in September 2018: ** word of the week ** censorship directive reports ***有关部门/真理部指令/?view=all chinese version ** a wiki version of the censored word lists, the ,"<> index" (cao3n2ma3 草泥马), with a censored term of the week section. ** sensitive words list ** Fun 2015 ebook:

See also:

  • <>
  • <>

[[keyword-choice]] ==== How do you choose keywords for the keyword attack?

I haven't counted, but the limit for Stack Overflow is quite low, and I'm always almost at the maximum, which is about "Ciro Santilli" + 3 3-4 Chinese character events with a separator.

These are some of my prioritization guidelines:

  • recent cases receive a large prime over the raw death toll, because older cases can always be attributed to other people. + E.g., I've heard there is even some opening towards acknowledging the Great Famine, thus 烏坎事件 (and others from my previous profile names)
  • words must refer to a precise event, and must be clearly summarizable in very few chars, for increased impact, and profile name length limitations. + E.g. "High <> rates, high pollution", although very serious, feel too generic.
  • events that relate directly to freedom of speech receive a prime, since they can only happen in China and very few other countries. + E.g.: <>, <>. + Non e.g.: corruption and pollution. Those are hard to quantify, and there is always an immediate reply: china GDP per capita is low, same happens in India, Brazil, etc. + Freedom of speech however, is immediately verifiable (e.g. "my Weibo was taken down"), and undeniably caused by the current central government.
  • the more people affected, and the more deeply they have been affected, the more important obviously

I am currently trying to maintain in my Stack Overflow Location a ranking of events in a single string, so that it can be easily copy pasted around. The location appears on every page if you hover over my account name, so it is likely in the HTML at least.

If you think that this list can be improved, please open an issue explaining how and why.

==== Other notable keyword attacks

[[notepad]] ===== Notepad++


It might be a newbie text editors for newbie Windows users, but at least they use it to good use by doing keyword attacks:

  • 2020-08: "Text editor Notepad{plus}{plus} banned in China after ‘Stand With Hong Kong’ update" where "banned" means "the download page where they keywords are shown is now blocked in Chinese browsers". The rest of the website is still up. So no domain block due to HTTPS, browser only action for now.
  • 2019-10: "In October 2019 Notepad{plus}{plus}'s GitHub issue tracker was flooded with pro-Chinese and anti-western messages after a version codenamed "Free Uyghur" (v7.8.1) was released" ** ** "Notepad{plus}{plus}, after voicing their support for the Uyghurs, is now being bombarded by Chinese nationalists on Github." See e.g.: and earlier issues
  • 2008-03: "In March 2008 the "Boycott Beijing 2008" banner was placed on Notepad{plus}{plus}'s homepage":

The creator appears to be a Vietnamese immigrant or descendant living in France. There are many such immigrants due to Vietnam being an ex-colony: Also he must have good reason to dislike the commies due to similar commit bullshit in Vietnam. He was at[Paris Diderot] in 2000: ([archive]).

[[separatism]] === Separatism 分离主义

If a large number of people in a given region want to leave an country strongly or have greater autonomy, <> believes that they should be allowed to do so.


  • if they don't feel they are getting a good deal out of your country, it is unfair to keep them in
  • keeping them in the country forcibly implies large scale violation of human rights: mass incarceration and removing freedom of speech. + Which in turn implies terrorist backslash. + All of which are against my principles.

What makes Ciro the maddest is the censorship. If you are going to put people in jail, write a clear law about it, and let international reporters come to see the situation.

But why do you do something and then hide it? Maybe because you are not doing the right thing?

See also: <>.

[[taiwan]] ==== Taiwan 台湾 Republic of China 中華民國


If you are interested in Taiwan, one important programmer forum is: <>.

Some interesting links:

  • (zh) "【這就是科學|柯文哲】EP3/從癌症治療看政治!除惡務盡→除惡「勿」盡?「與敵共存」才是生存之道!", 柯文哲, 2019-06-26. Ko Wen-je, the mayor of Taipei 台北 and a professor in medicine, applies the concept of isolation and mutation in evolution to Taiwan and China

[[one-china-policy]] ===== One China policy 一个中国


Taiwan is not a case of <>.

Taiwan is a completely separate country split due to civil war, long ago.

Almost every country, and all reasonably powerful countries, have diplomatic relations with Taiwan. They just don't call them diplomatic relations to not piss off China so they can keep doing business.

The fact that most countries in the world does officially recognize Taiwan as a country is a joke, considering that the only thing keeping it afloat is the West's military threat.

<> let China advance and take more territories. The more they take, the more they will want.

The West must protect China's neighboring countries with military support and assurance.

The West must recognize Taiwan for what it is: a separate country, under threat of invasion, and in need of support.

If China's claim to Taiwan is valid, then Taiwan also has an equally valid claim on China.

If China's claim to Taiwan is valid, then so will its claim to any other country.

China, if you want to claim that Taiwan is a part of you, just grow some balls and invade them already. Or just stop this stupid joke.

Interesting quote from

Taiwan's Status Is a Geopolitical Absurdity

And calls the One China policy a:

polite fiction hi, I want a "not VISA" to Taiwan. Thanks.

A well educated Mainlander who lived outside of China once told Ciro:

Taiwan should not be considered a country by China, because then it would not join back to China when China becomes a democracy, and would be used by the USA to do evil things as they did in the Middle East

Ciro was shocked. He considered that person highly intelligent and not fully brainwashed! Reply:

China claiming that Taiwan is a part of them only drives Taiwan closer to the West! Who wants to be part of a dictatorship unless you have been brainwashed by one?

They truly believe in <>.

The US first caved in in 1972 with theé[Shanghai Communiqué].


  • "Taiwan finalises purchase of F-16 jets from Lockheed Martin". 90 jets, 8 billion USD.
  • 2020-05-26 "Brazilian netizens fight back against CCP threats over Taiwan support" ** It should also be mentioned that this campaign could be being used/created by pro-Bolsanaro politicians as a way to detract focus from the COVID-19 epidemic that is reaching its deadliest phase in Brazil, e.g.:
  • 2020 <> and Taiwan: ** Taiwan was at a disadvantage during since it was not part of the[World Health Organization] and therefore could not get information as fast and influence decisions + . WHO officer[Bruce Alyward] pretends not to hear question from[Radio Television Hong Kong (RTHK)] about the possibility of Taiwan's membership in the WHO during a one-to-one Skype interview,[reference]. video::fASh2_RzMuE[youtube,height=400,width=600]

  • 2020-03-27 "U.S. President Donald Trump has signed into law an act that requires increased U.S. support for Taiwan internationally". But he didn't recognize it as a country. Semi bullshit.

.The flag of Taiwan. Like most modern countries, Taiwan has one.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/FlagoftheRepublicofChina.svg[height=400]

. Office Building of Taiwan. What is that flag we see on top of the central government building of Taiwan? It appears to have a blue rectangle on the top left![Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/TaiwanWhiteHouse.jpg[height=400]

.It is fun to see that some small random Latin American countries–Taiwanrelations[like Paraguay] recognize only Taiwan and not Mainland China. Brave warriors!!![Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Countriesthatrecognize_Taiwan.jpg[height=400]

.Washington DC TECRO. Instead of "embassies", Taiwan has["Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Offices" (TECROs)]臺北經濟文化代表處[(台北经济文化代表处|臺北經濟文化代表處)] The just happen to issue VISAs and passports like embassies, but remember, they are not embassies. No flag you see? This is because idiotic countries don't allow TECROs to have the Taiwan flag. In 2019 Senator Ted Cruz planned on passing a law to allow that though:[].[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/TECROWashington.jpg[height=400]

.2014 cartoon by D Nguyen summarizing the Taiwan China relationship in history. Featuring: fatter and fatter <> on first three cartoons to the left, likely <> to left on the last, and Kai-shiek to the right. TODO middle figure on last cartoon. TODO find proper attribution source, originally seen at:[]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/TaiwanweareChina_cartoon.jpg[height=600]

[[taiwan-number-one]] ===== Taiwan #1 (2915)

2015 meme started by[H1Z1] streamer AngryPug, in which he repeatedly taunts the Chinese streamer Em0 by pretending to be Taiwanese.


. ANGRYPUG's official YouTube upload of the clip "Taiwan #1" meme. video::vTqZ9xrxhHk[youtube,height=400,width=600]

See also: <>.

[[xinjiang]] ==== Xinjiang (新疆)



  • 2014 something very serious happened in Xinjiang. **
  • 2010 Xinjiang 10 month Internet blackout **
  • 2009 Ürümqi riots **Ürümqiriots **乌鲁木齐七五事件 ** 2009 Shaoguan incident *** ***旭日玩具厂群体斗殴事件

Terrorist attacks done by Xinjiang separatists:


Notable ones:

  • 2014 Kunming attack ** ** photo of 8 bodies lined up after the attack: ** Interestingly, points out that said that: + ____ The public must realize that a handful of extremists are far from qualified to represent tens of millions of local residents in Xinjiang. It is not only an irrational and biased mindset to put the blame on the entire Uyghur community or the Muslim world, but the idea will also abet and aid those separatists and terrorists who are desperate to take advantage of ethnic and religious conflicts. ____ + and yet as of the \x[xinjiang-re-education-camps], all Xinjiang Muslims were fucked. <> comes to mind.

.<> 2017-04 cartoon showing that Xinjiang is like a prison inside a greater prison, which is China itself. Chinese characters read: 新疆(Xinjiang) and 中国(China). TODO source. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xinjiangcampin_camp.jpg[height=600]

[[xinjiang-re-education-camps]] ===== Xinjiang re-education camps (新疆再教育營, 2017-)


The keyword is <>: because of a few terrorists, every single Muslim was fucked even if they did not commit any crime.

Overview projects:

  • The Xinjiang Data Project by the[Australian Strategic Policy Institute] + Also includes the <> report.


  • 2020-09-19 "Chinese authorities “indirectly” confirm the scale of the camps. China claims 1.3 million Xinjiang residents given 'vocational training' each year" + The document: also quoted on <>: + Official English translation: + Title: 新疆的劳动就业保障 (Employment and Labor Rights in Xinjiang) + Quote: ___ 全疆年均培训城乡各类劳动者128.8万人次,其中,南疆地区年均培训45.14万人次。参训人员至少掌握1项就业技能,绝大多数取得了职业资格证书、职业技能等级证书或专项职业能力证书,实现稳定就业。 ____ + Google translation: ____ The average annual training for all kinds of workers in urban and rural areas in Xinjiang is 1.288 million, of which 451,400 are trained in southern Xinjiang. Participants have mastered at least one employment skill, and most of them have obtained vocational qualification certificates, vocational skill level certificates or special vocational ability certificates to achieve stable employment. ____
  • 2020-08-27 "Blanked-Out Spots On China's Maps Helped Us Uncover Xinjiang's Camps". Good technique.
  • 2020-06-29 "China cuts Uighur births with IUDs, abortion, sterilization"
  • 2020-06-17 "Trump signs bill pressuring China over Uighur Muslim crackdown"
  • 2019-12: "A Secret Look Inside a Chinese Labor Program for Uighurs | Visual Investigations" by "The New York Times" published on Dec 30, 2019. Description: "China is relocating Uighurs and other Muslim minorities to urban areas as part of a contentious labor program. The Times obtained rare footage taken inside one." + video::dEkliuqQo-g[youtube,height=400,width=600]
  • 2919-12: Muslim German Turkish Arsenal player link:++[Mesut Özil] criticizes concentration camps on Twitter, and China stops broadcasting arsenal matches ** ([archive]) **
  • 2019-11: "What happened to me" manga depicting Uighur torture hits 2.5m views ** ([archive]) **
  • 2019-11 The Xinjiang Papers: leaked cables about Xinjiang internment camps policy, some reported by the New York Times and others by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, soure yet unknown. ** 2020-02-18 the "Karakax list" leaked spreadsheet contains detailed information on 331 citizens Karakax County in Xinjiang and sheds further insight on why certain people have been persecuted *** ** ** ** 2020-02: more leaks containing detailed records of several citizens:
  • 2019-09-22 Drone footage of Xinjiang prisoner transfer uploaded to YouTube. TODO confirm the location and that these are political prisoners rather than "normal criminals". ** Upload sources *** *** + video::gGYoeJ5U7cQ[youtube,height=400,width=600] ** News coverage *** Drone footage, video sources: ** Reddit: + .Video still of 2019-10 drone footage of blindfolded Xinjiang prisoners being marched taken at time 00:30.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xinjiangprisoners_march.jpg[height=400]
  • 2019-07-31 "Doubt Greets China's Claim That Muslims Have Been Released From Camps"
  • 2019-07-19 "37 countries defend China over Xinjiang in UN letter"
  • 2019-07-04 "China Muslims: Xinjiang schools used to separate children from families" **
  • 2019-06-18 "Inside China's 'thought transformation' camps - BBC News" China gives BBC "access" to a chosen show camp where everyone claims they are happy and willing to stay. They are however clearly adults being treated like children, taking courses and even having to sing and dance for the camera.[486s] is also golden, when the CCP officer Zhang Zhisheng explains how they are <>. How can they be so stupid? How can they not see that this is not what the West wants to hear? Amazing dark-comedy like stuff. + video::WmId2ZP3h0c[youtube,height=400,width=600] + .Propaganda picture where an adult man wearing traditional Xinjiang clothing and playing a traditional instrument inside a classroom setting inside a prison camp, as the CCP tries to show the world that they are happy and their culture is being respected, and only makes things worse.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Uyghurplayingguitar.jpg[height=400]
  • 2019-05-07
  • 2019-05-07 CNN does a few Xinjiang interviews and sends reporter to visit some of the concentration camps + video::ULaJVWOr4ko[youtube,height=400,width=600]
  • 2019-02-24
  • 2019-02-17 "China data leak exposes vast hi-tech surveillance operation in Xinjiang", leak by SenseNets Technology.
  • 2019-03 database of Xinjiang victims, with precise names, location, date of birth and ID card number of victims and testimonies
  • 2018-12 In full: 'I begged them to kill me' - ex-Xinjiang detainee Mihrigul Tursun gives testimony in the US. Observers however rightly brought up the[Nayirah testimony]. + video::dsd1NkCKaNg[youtube,height=400,width=600]
  • 2018-11 Xinjiang legalizes 're-education' camps
  • 2018-08
  • 2018-07 Sairagul Sawytbai testifies to the existence of Chinese concentration camps in Xinjiang + video::Eak3WRtcdko[youtube,height=400,width=600]
  • 2018-05 generic report
  • 2018-05 mapping internment camps with satellite imaging: **’s-internment-camps-its-ethnic-minorities-1136100 **新疆再教育集中营列表-99720372419c List of Re-education Camps in Xinjiang 新疆再教育集中营列表 Shawn Zhang
  • 2018-05 Omir Bekali's account of Xinjiang education camps: ** ** **
  • 2017-04 "China Bans 'Muhammad' and 'Jihad' as Baby Names in Heavily Muslim Region". + Note that Muhammad is incredibly popular in Islamic countries, and thought to be the most popular name in the world with 150m people sharing it: + It is so prevalent, that it is often shortened to just "Md." and people are just called by their second name to reduce ambiguity:
  • 2017-04 + .Image of prisoners wearing blue sitting down in Xinjiang concentration camp, with some prisoners identified to indicate that they are not criminals but rather detained purely for political reasons.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xinjiangprisonerssitting_identified.jpeg[height=400]

[[uyghurs-for-sale]] .Advertisement published by Qingdao Decai Decoration Co. claiming to supply government-sponsored Uyghur workers from Xinjiang to other provinces. Source of translation:["Uyghurs for sale" report]. Original website archive from 16 Jan 2020:[]. The ad features a caricature of two dancing Uyghurs in traditional clothing. This is evidence of the CCP's mass forced eviction and slavery of Uyghurs. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Uyghursalewebsite.jpg[height=500]

.Uyghur workers at Taekwang Shoe Manufacturing waving the Chinese flag, October 2019. Viewable on the pro-CCP China Ethnic Religion Net (中国民族宗教网) website:[], and also shown in the["Uyghurs for sale" report]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/UyghurworkerswavingChinaflag.jpg[height=400]

. "New footage shows Uyghurs bussed across China for forced labour in factories". At the given timestamp, contains 30 seconds of footage extracted from 3 social media posts showing Uyghurs being sent in busses to work in far way regions. video::M_aXcH1zDEE[youtube,height=400,width=600,start=128]

====== Merdan Ghappar's video (2020-08-05)

Self made video shows the ex-model chained to a bed in a camp. Text messages give further details.

Text messages and translation:

++++ ++++

[[other-islam-countries-speak-up-for-uyghur]] ====== Why don't many other Islamic countries speak up for the Uyghur persecution?

Because those countries are also dictatprships and completely corrupt to the brim:

  • "The Long Shadow of Xinjiang"


  • 2020-07-11: "Defying U.S., China and Iran Near Trade and Military Partnership"
  • 2018: vice-president[Jusuf Kalla] said "we don't want to intervene in the domestic affairs of another country":
  • even the Jews are speaking lowder in some cases

.<> 2019-07 cartoon showing <> claiming to have won the global opinion on the Xinjiang re-education camps because all other dictatorships support him, including <>.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/XinjiangIwon.jpeg[height=400]

[[inner-mongolia]] ==== Inner mongolia (内蒙古)

  • 2020-08-31 "China 'Will End' Mongolian-Language Education Starting This Semester: Reports" ** 2020-09-04 "Southern Mongolia turns to police state as full-blown cultural genocide unfolds" contains images of arrest orders and the like
  • 2011 Inner Mongolia unrest ** **年内蒙古抗议示威事件

[[tibet]] ==== Tibet (西藏)

Events linked to reducing the teaching of the Tibetan language in schools and replacing it with Mandarin:

  • 2020-04
  • 2010

[[tibetan-unrest-2008]] ===== 2008 Tibetan unrest (2008年西藏骚乱)


Good gory photos from the event: ([archive])

. "Hundreds of Tibetan protesters clash with police after anti-China protest" published by AP Archive. video::B-tEi4uLME[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[tibetan-unrest-1987-1989]] ===== 1987-1989 Tibetan unrest (1989年拉萨骚乱)


. "Troops stormed the Tibetan holy site the Jokhang Temple and beat monks" video::qMZgoRuPJBg[youtube,height=400,width=600]

. "Latest Spate Of Violent Unrest In Lhasa And The Imposition Of Martial Law" by AP Archive video::3uQcGcGGepw[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[hong-kong]] ==== Hong Kong (香港)

News source: Became larger than

during the <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>>.

There is only one solution to Hong Kong's problem:

  • give inhabitants people easy VISAs to leave China, with priority to the rich/educated ones. Give them free language courses on the country of arrival, and help them find jobs
  • treat Hong Kong exactly like any other part of China, removing any special commercial treaty with the reagion, which it has enjoyed for many years

These have started happening seriously in response to the <>.

Hong Kong related posts at:


  • <>
  • <>

===== Hong Kong 97 SNES video game


1995 video game realistically depicts the fight of Hong Kong against the Communist Party predicted to happen[at the handover], featuring Bruce Lee (often represented as <>) who returned from the grave to join the fight and kick <> ass.

The dead body from the game over screen was taken from a still from a video of the[1992 Bosnian War]:

The track is a sample of the["I Love Beijing Tiananmen" (我爱北京天安门)] Cultural Revolution song that was popular before <> and later became an ironic protest song:

我爱北京天安门 + 天安门上太阳升

which means:

I love Beijing Tiananmen Square + The sun rises over the Tiananmen

Full song:

.Cover of the Hong Kong 97.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/HongKong97cover.jpg[height=400]

. The venerable[Angry Video Game Nerd] made a review of Hong Kong 97. video::M_aXcH1zDEE[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[hong-kong-national-security-law]] ===== Hong Kong National Security Law 香港国安法 (2020)



  • 2020-08-30 "Chinese Police Arrest Hong Kong Activist Andy Li (李宇轩), 11 Others, for Attempting to Flee to Taiwan"
  • 2020-08-22 they are already trying to remove sensitive materials from history textbooks ** 2020-08-21 "香港通識科課本大幅度修改涉政治取向內容引發爭議" appears to give more concrete details. An English infographic at:
  • 2020-08-10[] "Hong Kong Media Tycoon Arrested in Latest Blow to Democracy Camp" + <> is the founder of <>, the flagship newspaper under Next Digital and the biggest pro-democracy paper in Hong Kong, reported that nearly 200 officers were entering their offices. + Other notable arrests: ** <> + The CCP is not even pretending anymore. + 2020-08-12:[]: they were released on bail
  • 2020-08-30 "Four Hong Kong student activists arrested for 'secession' over social media posts": the arrests against online freedom of speech begin gives the names, all are abroad it seems: + ____ Police in Hong Kong are seeking the arrest of six pro-democracy activists living in exile in Western countries, including the UK, media reports say.

The group reportedly includes former UK consulate worker Simon Cheng, well-known activist Nathan Law and US citizen Samuel Chu.

  • 2020-07-08 "China converts Hong Kong hotel into new national security office" + The name of the hotel is Metropark Hotel (維景酒店), address: 148 Tung Lo Wan Rd, Causeway Bay, Hong Kong:
  • 2020-06-29 "" + ____ With the Chinese Communist Party's imposition of new security measures on Hong Kong, the risk that sensitive U.S. technology will be diverted to the People's Liberation Army or Ministry of State Security has increased, all while undermining the territory's autonomy. Those are risks the U.S. refuses to accept and have resulted in the revocation of Hong Kong's special status. ____
  • 2020-06-03 "Boris Johnson lays out visa offer to nearly 3m Hong Kong citizens"
  • 2020-05-29 "UK could offer 'path to citizenship' for Hong Kong's British passport holders"
  • 2020-05-24

.Over 100 police officers raid the Apple Daily Hong Kong newspaper soon after the <> started.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/AppleDailyraid.webp[height=600]

===== 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests

  • "Last Hong Kong governor Chris Patten: Gov't defense of extradition bill 'absolute nonsense'", Hong Kong Free Press ** 2019-10 Blizzard bans top Hearthstone esports player Blitzchung (Ng Wai Chung) for pro Hong Kong message in interview + Wiki page of the event:

. Hong Kong Yoga - Sammy J S2 (ep31) published by ABC Comedy on 2019-09-19. Very good. video::YhN6jipSHFI[youtube,height=400,width=600]

====== LeBron James opposes Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests (2019)

NBA is huge in China.

On 2019-10-05 (Friday) 7:41PM Daryl Morey, NBA's Houston Rockets manager sent a tweet with an image that read:

Fight for Freedom. Stand with Hong Kong.


Then Daryl was a coward, removed this tweet, and apologized on 2019-10-07 (Monday) 1:18 AM ([archive]), so by then it was already deleted.

I did not intend my tweet to cause any offense to Rockets fans and friends of mine in China

Then TODO date the uberstar James, a big supporter of black rights in the US, criticized this.[LeBron's words]:

I don't want to get into a word or sentence feud with Daryl Morey, but I believe he wasn't educated on the situation

Related video of LeBron saying similar things on interview (TODO same?): 2019-10-15 "LeBron addresses Daryl Morey’s tweet and Lakers’ trip to China | NBA on ESPN"

Led to: <>.

  • 2020-10-04 American billboard company[Outfront Media] refuses to post ad critical of LeBron James' stand on China with words showing the superstar with a Chinese flag covering his mouth and the message, "Silence is Violence." **
  • 2019-10-15 "LeBron: Rockets' Morey 'wasn't educated' on China tweet"
  • 2019-10-07 (Monday) "Rockets’ general manager’s Hong Kong comments anger China"
  • 2019-10-07 Lakers vs. Heat NBA Tencent Live Stream cancelled due to fan wearing the <> flag + .Fan wearing Taiwan flag in 2019-10-07 Lakers vs. Heat showing fan and text (TODO from Tencent?) saying that the match will be cancelled.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/NBATaiwanflag.jpg[height=600] ** **

=== What should all pro-democracy people do about China?

A propaganda slogan from a[French Resistance] flyer (see also <>):

To obey is to betray. + To disobey is to serve.

Obéir c'est trahir. + Désobéir c'est servir.

."Obéir c'est trahir. Désobéir c'est servir." flyer featuring the[cross of Lorraine]éircesttrahirDésobéircestservir/1314227[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Toobeyisto_betray.jpg[height=400]

==== Photobombing-like attacks

In online video games:

  • 2020-04-08 Animal Crossing
  • <>

Explicitly forbidden in China by the law: <>.

See also: <>.

===== Appropriation attack

An appropriation attack is one where the attackers attempt to associate an existing symbol to their cause.

For example during the <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>> attackers attempted to use this technique to associate a generic[Chinese Chun-Li-like] character Mei from Blizzard's link:++[Overwatch game] to try and get it blocked in China after the gaming company punished a pro gamer for defending the Hong Kong protests. Coverage ([archive]).

.Mei from Blizzard's Overwatch was used in an attempted <> during the <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>>.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/MeiwithHong_kong.jpg[height=600]

===== Sport event live broadcast image attacks

NBA in particular is super popular in China, and people sitting at the front row can easily bomb emissions due to the small court size:

  • China's Tencent halts NBA live broadcast over <> flag

Started in particular due to the <>

==== What should Western countries do about China?

Force all their Western servers to accept <> connections only: <>.

Western governments must reciprocate unfair Chinese practices:

Companies only care about money and have no long term view, the following must be imposed by governments on Western companies.

Serious sanctions must be pot on companies that sell sensitive things to dictatorships:

  • <>

All posts of all Chinese-sponsored social media accounts must be clearly market as such. Even better, they should add funny censored images on top of them. Related news:

  • Twitter ** News *** 2020-06: Twitter has also implicated in receiving advertising money from <>, see also: <> *** 2020-06-12 *** 2020-06-12 "Twitter deletes 170,000 accounts linked to China influence campaign" *** The Chinese government later contested this decision: ** Accounts that should be deleted ***
  • ** 2020-04-07 "China's Been Flooding Facebook With Shady Ads Blaming Trump for the Coronavirus Crisis"

Some websites have started marking such accounts, which is a great start, but a straight ban would be better:

  • YouTube in 2018:
  • Facebook in 2020:
  • Twitter in 2020: ** report ** example from <> marked as "China state-affiliated media" and links to

Marked media must be forbidden to both monetize and pay to promote its content.

Any outlets that do not announce themselves as state sponsored but are, must be punshed/banned forever when they are found out.

Related approaches taken by the CCP that should also be stopped dead by strict enforcement of the[Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA)]:

  • <>, notably <>, must
  • <>

Physical presence influence must be completely blocked, e.g. cultural centers that report directly to the CCP such as <> and <> must be banned.

News about Chinese state media using Western social media:

  • 2016 "China's propaganda news outlets are absolutely crushing it on Facebook"

Accounts that are not labelled as being from the Chinese government, but which support the CCP, must be investigated to determine if they are actually funded by the Chinese government.

TODO what to do with websites of: <>? Blocking them has the downsides that:

  • it would be harder to monitor what crazy shit the commies are doing
  • those censorship mechanisms could be reused to block good websites by Western governments that are becoming Evil

Let's just leave them up to start with, who gives a fuck about them? :-) If they are getting too many page views, we can make search engines add the disclaimer too.

Chinese social media such as WeChat and <> must be banned. This is less serious than regular websites, because you can always repost on Western social media but without getting spied on:

  • 2020-08-07 "Trump executive order seeks to ban <>, WeChat 'transactions' in 45 days"

Whenever China kicks out a western journalist who is in China and reports there, the Western country must do the same and kick out a Chinese journalists for a Chinese media.

An upside of restricting Chinese servies is that it would hugely bolster <> technologies, as every Chinese expat would need to buy a VPN.


Western governments must identify raw material dependencies on China, and reduce them, while at the same time forbidding technology transfer to China. China has been trading cheap resources for technology, and we must stop that now.

Unfair Chinese commercial practices must be reciprocated. Chinese companies should be forced to open joint ventures to operate outside of China, which is a trick China uses to control profits and more easily steal IP from Western companies:

  • ([archive])
  • ([archive])

Sanctions must be imposed directly on Chinese officials. They must not be allowed to "escape to a better life or have investments in the West":

  • 2020-08-08 "Hong Kong: US imposes sanctions on chief executive Carrie Lam"

.<> 2016-09-07 cartoon entitled "宽衣<>" depicting <> as a[pole dancer] and throwing money at other world leaders during the[2016 G20 Hangzhou summit] is a reference to how China buys political influence in other countries by promising profitable trade deals with those countries.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xi_pole.jpg[height=400]

[[spy]] ===== China spy stories

Do not underestimate the CCP and its control over every Chinese companies and people. Every Chinese company and person is a potential spy.

This is true for all countries however, and we do not reproach China specifically for its secret service, e.g. <> used[Dell] as an NSA front-end.

The point is that the West should not underestimate this menace that comes from a <>.

For university espionage see: <>.

Some Chinese spy stories:

  • 2020-09-21 Baimadajie Angwang ** "New York City police officer spied on fellow Tibetans for China, prosecutors charge"
  • 2019-01-15 Kevin Mallory ** 2019-01-15 "Kevin Mallory: The churchgoing patriot who spied for China" + Good profile. He was first approached via LinkedIn. As a related case, Jun Wei Yeo was arrested as LinkedIn spy recruiter in 2020: + And those stupid Chines handlers gave him a phone that was supposed to be encrypted, but it crashed and then rebooted unencrypted, right when the FBI agents were around. + ____ But after the 2008 real estate crash, his fortunes changed. His house plummeted in value, and later he lost his job. ____ ** 2019-04-04 "How a $230,000 debt and a LinkedIn message led an ex-CIA officer to spy for China" + Good profile, gives important points: he was 230k in debt, and "Mallory began reaching out to former CIA colleagues in an apparent effort to pump them for information. The ex-colleagues grew suspicious and contacted the CIA, prosecutors say." ** 2019-05-18 "Kevin Mallory: Ex-CIA agent jailed for spying for China". + The article also contains a good summary section "CIA spy operation in China: Key dates".
  • 2019-11: Wang Liqiang spy defection to Australia **
  • 2019-11: Jerry Chun Shing Lee, naturalized American, convicted for being double agent while working at CIA after being in custody for 2 years **
  • 2018-06-05 Ron Rockwell Hansen **
  • 2010-2012 about 20 CIA spies in China were killed. One was shot right in the courtyard of a government building as a message to others. ** "China killed CIA sources, hobbled U.S. spying from 2010 to 2012: NYT"

[[mss]] ====== Ministry of State Security (Guoanbu, 国安部)


===== The West must ban the Chinese telecommunications software and hardware

They are an entry point to spying, censorship and fake news.

  • 2020-02 U.S. imposes new rules on state-owned Chinese media over propaganda concerns, the companies are: Xinhua News Agency, China Global Television Network, China Radio International, China Daily Distribution Corp. and Hai Tian Development USA, Inc. See also: <>. ** 2020-04-03 'Zoom's encryption is "not suited for secrets" and has surprising links to china, researchers discover"

====== Zoom


American company, with Chinese-born now American Citizen CEO Yuan, migrated to the US around 1997), and development teams largely China-based to reduce costs.


  • 2020-06-10 <>'s account as blocked after a celebration of <>, which was attended by many people from China. The account was later reinstated, Zoom said it acted on a CCP request on error, and it won't do this for users outside of China anymore: ** "U.S. lawmakers ask Zoom to clarify China ties after it suspends accounts" ** "Zoom closed account of U.S.-based Chinese activist 'to comply with local law'". **

.2020-03-27 photo showing[UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson] using Zoom on a Cabinet meeting (a high level Government meeting) during <>. If you don't properly ban risky dictatorship-linked software, it will get used at the highest levels of Government by clueless people.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/ZoomBoris.jpg[height=400]

[[huawei]] ====== Huawei 华为


Just look at the Chinese name of the company:

  • 华 (China)
  • 为 (to do something for)

How can the West not see this?

No proof is needed. They belong to a <>, and therefore must not be trusted. Doing so is always a risk which we should not take.

Also have a look at their Wikipedia page:

Ren sought to reverse engineer foreign technologies with local researchers. At a time when all of China's telecommunications technology was imported from abroad, Ren hoped to build a domestic Chinese telecommunication company that could compete with, and ultimately replace, foreign competitors.

During its first several years the company's business model consisted mainly of reselling private branch exchange (PBX) switches imported from Hong Kong. Meanwhile, it was reverse-engineering imported switches and investing heavily in research and development to manufacture its own technologies. By 1990 the company had approximately 600 R&D staff and began its own independent commercialization of PBX switches targeting hotels and small enterprises.

The company's first major breakthrough came in 1993 when it launched its C&C08 program controlled telephone switch. It was by far the most powerful switch available in China at the time. By initially deploying in small cities and rural areas and placing emphasis on service and customizability, the company gained market share and made its way into the mainstream market.

Huawei also won a key contract to build the first national telecommunications network for the People's Liberation Army, a deal one employee described as "small in terms of our overall business, but large in terms of our relationships". In 1994, founder Ren Zhengfei had a meeting with Party general secretary Jiang Zemin, telling him that "switching equipment technology was related to national security, and that a nation that did not have its own switching equipment was like one that lacked its own military." Jiang reportedly agreed with this assessment.

Another major turning point for the company came in 1996 when the government in Beijing adopted an explicit policy of supporting domestic telecommunications manufacturers and restricting access to foreign competitors. Huawei was promoted by both the government and the military as a national champion, and established new research and development offices.

At any point the Chinese government could make a request that they cannot deny.

Some news:

  • 5G 2019-2020 ** in 2020 the UK was trying hard to get kicked out of the 5 eyes in 2020 by using 5G equipment from Huawei ** 2020-06-25 "Huawei's £1bn research centre near Cambridge approved" so despite all the 5G stuff, the UK still allows them to create a new research center in the UK... are they blind? ** ([archive]) "UK will allow Huawei to help build its 5G network despite US pressure" ** 2020-04-17 only after more than 10 thousand people died in the country during <> did the brits finally change their minds: "UK moves to drop Huawei as 5G vendor, citing China coronavirus transparency"
  • 2018-12 Wanzhou, daughter of Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei (任正非) and Huawei CFO as of 2018, was arrested in Canada because the US accused her of breaking Iran sanctions ** "Why are Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor still detained in China?" in apparent retaliation, under accusation of espionage. ** 2020-05-27 "Canada court finds against Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou on double criminality; extradition trial to continue"
  • 2019-11 "Has Huawei's Darkest Secret Just Been Exposed By This New Surveillance Report?" Xinjiang Papers reveal the extent of Huawei's involvement in <>

."When you send a good joke from your Huawei phone", <> is also listening and laughing with you, girls.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/WhenyousendagoodjokefromyourHuawei_phone.jpg[height=600]

.<> 2018-12-10 "Why does the whole world hate me" Huawei cartoon, where Huawei's shadow shows the[hammer and sickle] to suggest that Huawei is controlled by the CCP.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Huaweiwhydoesthewholeworldhate_me.jpeg[height=400]

.<> 2019-03-08 showing Huawei slapping the Statue of Liberty with "The Constitution of the United States" when Huawei sued the US Government for violating the Constitution when it banned government agencies from buying Huawei equipment. This illustrates the usual dilemma where <>.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/HuaweiStatueof_Liberty.jpeg[height=400]

.Cartoon showing a huge China flag branded USB sucking up Western personal and military information like a vacuum cleaner in 2019-04-29 article entitled "Britain will regret doing business with Huawei". TODO cartoon author.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/ChinaUSBtheft.jpg[height=400]

.Cartoon suggesting that Huawei's 5G is a like a[Trojan Horse] being gifted to Europe. TODO: source of original non-China generic Trojan Horse background image that was edited and repurposed.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Huawei5G_Trojan.jpg[height=400]

.<> 2019-06-22 cartoon depicting Germany, Hungary and the United Kingdom as[Gollum]s from[The Lord of The Rings] and China as[Sauron] offering a ring which reads "5G to rule them" and "Huawei" to the Gollums who are eager to obtain it. This is a reference to The Lord of the Rings backstory in which Sauron bribed and controlled the rulers of the world by giving them[rings of power]. Now that Ciro thinks about it, maybe this was actually Tolkien making a reference to the political situation of his time.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Huawei5Gmy_precious.jpg[height=400]

[[tiktok]] ====== TikTok 抖音 (Douyin)



  • 2020-07 "TikTok unveils $200 million fund for U.S. creators": TikTok is trying to buy their stay in the West.
  • 2020-07 "pple Suddenly Catches TikTok Secretly Spying On Millions Of iPhone Users" by reading from the clipboard
  • 2020-06 India bans TikTok after Ladakh border tensions
  • 2020-05 <>
  • 2019-11-28[]: "TikTok sorry for blocking teenager who disguised Xinjiang video as make-up tutorial". Subtitle: "Chinese-owned video sharing platform blocked Feroza Aziz after she posted film disguised as makeup tutorial"
  • 2019-11


  • 2020-08 photo of ByteDance top brass with CCP members in Beijing and description of their meeting. Because obviously they have strong ties with the CCP like any other Chinese company.
  • 2020-03 "The Chinese Tik-Tok just began an uninterrupted propaganda stream." during <>
  • "Wife trying livestreaming on Douyin. Comes over to me in the middle of a stream and puts me on camera. After about a minute, notice pops up saying that foreigners are not allowed to appear on livestreams 'without permission'." ** **

[[baidu]] ====== Baidu 百度

The "Google of China":

  • Search engine: original business and still served at the toplevel domain ** ** Autocomplete suggestion for "Ciro Santilli": "cirosantilli的妻子" (Ciro Santilli's wife and Children) ** Clearly and obviously censors pages with <>, e.g.: ***["Ciro Santilli Stack Overflow"] hits and not郝海东冠状病六四事件法轮功 which has way greater reputation ([archive]). For example, a much smaller account with a much more common name hits: | ***["cirosantilli github"] does not hit ([archive]) *** but there does appear to be a manual aspect to the block possibly. For example, Ciro's top answer does hit, even though he has keywords in the page: to ([archive]) *** Pages censored in China do hit outside of China at least however, e.g.: first hits ([archive])
  • Tieba blogging ** **百度贴吧 **
  • Maps ** **百度地图 ** Google Maps is not allowed to film in China for Streetview, so Baidu has its own
  • Analytics ** ** 百度统计代码介绍 ** the <> uses their analytics as of 2020
  • Baike wiki ** ** The leading Chinese Wikipedia ** **百度百科 ** obviously completely censored, e.g.: <> ** seems to not have edit history. That would be bad for censorship :-)

===== What should Western media do about China?

When you report something about a person, for fuck's sake include the person's name in the title of the article, at the very least the pinyin.

Then, in the body, also add the corresponding Chinese characters on the first mention. This is how you do it: "San Xihou (三西猴)"

Yes, Chinese people also have names. And yes, pinyin has infinitely more homonyms than characters.

In the body of the article, notably in photos, include the exact location of the event if applicable.

City at the very least, but if recognizable, where withing the city.

Yes, China is big! There are many different places in China.

==== Western companies that comply with Chinese censorship requests

Western governments should prevent companies from complying to Chinese censorship requests, or at least impose fines and sanctions on them.

Citizens should boycott such companies and require them to be punished.

See also: <>

Some hell known companies and events:

  • 2020 Outfront Media, see: <>
  •[HSBC] ** 2020-06'sSecurityLawforHongKong(2020)[Support for China's Security Law for Hong Kong (2020)]
  •[Bloomberg L.P.] ** 2020-02 "When Bloomberg News's Reporting on China Was Challenged, Bloomberg Tried to Ruin Me for Speaking Out"
  • 2019-12 Shutterstock implements censorship for searches from China
  • LinkedIn ** 2019-01-04 "LinkedIn reverses course after censoring Chinese profile page of US-based human rights activist Zhou Fengsuo", see also: <> ** 2014-06-04 "LinkedIn draws fire for China censorship" mentions: "Some LinkedIn (LNKD) users have received emails from the company in recent days informing them that their posts will not be shown in mainland China."
  • Apple ** App Store monitoring by <>, source: ** 2020-03-01 "China Roundup: Apple closes a 4-year-old App Store loophole" ** 2020-02-25 ** 2019-04-12 "Lawmakers lash out at Apple for censoring a song about <>" + .Chinese flag with Apple characteristics.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/AppleChinaflag.png[height=400]
  • JPMorgan ** 2016-11 "Sons and Daughters" corruption hiring program for chidren of government officials:

.2019 summary of companies that kowtow to China.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Brandcensorshipchart.jpg[height=600]

.<> 2019-10 carton showing several brands kowtowing to <>, while South Park alone gives the middle finger.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xi_bat.jpg[height=400]

.<> 2017-07 showing <> eating an Apple Inc. logo referring to the many events where Apple gave in to Chinese demands to have access to the Chinese market.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xi_Apple.jpg[height=400]

.[Stephen Colbert] comments in 2015 on how American films make a good image of China to be allowed in China by censors to increase sales. video::V4WBsahU3X4[youtube,height=400,width=600]

===== Chinese interference in Western media

This lists links between owners of several US media outlets and China:[]. No direct evidence that this has affected the news however.

[[china-watch]] ====== China watch (2011-)

Campaign by <> to add paid articles/ads that read like news in/distributed with Western newspapers. They appeared to be marked as China watch ads, but still, they should be crushed.

  • 2020-06:[Washington Post],[Wall Street Journal] and others figure on official fillings of newspapers paid by China Daily:[]. + summarizes: + ___ As per the documents filed by China Daily with the Justice Department, the Communist party mouthpiece had paid over $6 million to the Wall Street Journal (WSJ), $4.6 million to the Washington Post, $2,40,000 to Foreign Policy, $50,000 to the New York Times, $34,600 to The Des Moines Register and $76,000 to CQ-Roll Call.

Besides, spending $11 million in advertising on prominent US papers, China Daily shelled out an additional $7.6 million to The Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Times, The Seattle Times, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, The Houston Chronicle, and The Boston Globe for printing copies of its own paper. For instance, the Los Angeles Times reportedly received $657,523 for printing services. The Communist party-mouthpiece had also spent $2,65,822 on advertising on Twitter.

+ The Washington Post is the one that had received the most attention earlier on since 2011: + ** ** "Official Chinese Propaganda: Now Online from the WaPo!" + They even had online distribution channel: It is[dead as of 2020-07], but[was alive in 2018] *[Daily Telegraph]: UK Daily Telegraph stops publishing section paid for by China[piece of shit] tabloid, it comes as no surprise that they would sell out to any dictatorship + 2020-04-14 "Daily Telegraph stops publishing section paid for by China"

China Daily itself claims certain partnerships: <>[]:

China Daily has also developed diversified cooperation with over 40 media organizations around the world, including The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, The Daily Telegraph, the Guardian, etc.

===== bandinchina GitHub repository

Contains a "List of companies who have apologized to the Chinese government and implemented censorship requests".

It only lists companies that implemented censorship outside of China however (with Hong Kong, <> and Macau defined as outside of China), therefore it is basically a Taiwan flag takedown + Hong Kong / Taiwan censorship list:


Other interesting GitHub repositories: <>.

===== Entertainers who support the CCP

Boycott those:

  •[Jackie Chan 陳港生] even though he is born in Hong Kong ** spoke against the <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>> **
  •[Liu Yifei 刘亦菲] who starred in the[Mulan 2020] Disney movie. To make matters more fun, some scenes were shot in <>: ** opposed the <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>>, notably saying "What a shame for Hong Kong". The <> later quoted her:[]

=== What should pro-democracy Chinese living in China do about the dictatorship?

First of all, hide and stay safe, unless you can deal the final blow. From[World at war, 1973], ep. 16:

A dictatorship is like a snake. If you put your foot on its tail as you do it, it will just bite you and nobody will be helped. You have to strike the head.

Once that is taken care of, a few good options are:

  • hide your thoughts, manipulate your enemies, infiltrate the corporate, political and military power circles, and go up the ladder
  • if you are an technological innovator, leave China and come work for the West. Don't strengthen commie power.

If you don't manage to do either of the above, don't do any technological work. Go work on the fields or washing dishes. Working well for Chinese companies makes the Chinese <> stronger and <>. See also: <>.

And regardless: remember your kids that the commies are bastards every day.

[[reply-policy]] === Ciro Santilli's reply policy 三西猴的回答政策

People get kind of passionate sometimes about politics. And some of them might also be just malicious <>, although it is generally not possible to distinguish between them.

If you are not a wumao, consider this:

  • Ciro Santilli is one, and antagonists are millions. It is therefore not possible to reply to all antagonists.
  • Ciro has in the past tried to be nice to stupid people, and they gave nasty replies
  • all discussion is useless, <>

In order to not waste too much time on those, Ciro Santilli uses the following strategy.

If the original thread post is not very interesting, try to parse it quickly and reply once, always <>, and then unfollow the thread. This shows that you're still alive, and takes little effort.

Then do your best never to read the inevitable reply again, and above all, never ever reply. An interesting reply never follows from a non-interesting original post. It is hard at first, but you will eventually get the hang of it.

If the user keeps generating notifications, block them as per[], replying to a single person multiple times is useless.

Never block users for an initial <>, just reply with a stupid joke instead. This approach creates more uncertainty and makes you look cooler. Only block if the user is generating multiple notifications.

If a shitpost is made on most other social media except GitHub issues in this repository, e.g. Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, immediately block the user on that website if you have the permission to do that, with a canned reply:

Hi , I don't reply to China issues here, please open an issue at: instead, cheers.

Note however that this is not possible on idiotic websites like <> where such comments may be deleted, possibly automatically, who the fuck knows, e.g. as done at: In that case just link to sections of the FAQ, or mute people, or maybe just block all comments on the post to not waste time with new useless notifications.

This is because it is not worth answering anywhere else where the information will be scattered and impossible to find later on, and especially on websites that are already blocked in China. Shitposts on Stack Overflow and other non-blocked websites are encouraged however, as they further help to get the website blocked in China.

For outbursts of activity from Chinese websites, usually programming (<>), only post the following canned answer and nothing else, because cowards/people who don't know English from the website might delete your posts, so you shouldn't waste time there with that shit:


在我的GitHub中国FAQ repository我已经回答了好几个关于我常见的问题。



Finally, don't forget the golden rule from[Proverbs 26:4]:

Don't answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are.

which is now usually seen in the form[of unclear attribution]:

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Where basically idiot == someone who creates posts that obviously aren't teaching you any new useful thing, or that not praising you :-)

Alternatively, there is also the Chinese[chengyu] version:


which means:

Playing the <> to a cow.

which means to talk to someone who does not have intellectual conditions of understanding what you are trying to say, bibliography:


More <> focused strategies at: <>.

.Cartoon depiction of the[chengyu] "Playing the <> to a cow" 《对牛弹琴》.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Playqinto_cow.png[height=600]

.XKCD 386 "Duty Calls" and the famous "Someone is wrong on the Internet" quote. It is a waste of time to be like that.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Someoneiswrongonthe_Internet.png[height=400]

=== Who is behind this amazing FAQ?

[[ciro-santilli]] ==== Ciro Santilli 三西猴

Original creator of[]:

.Ciro testing his webcam for[an Ask Ubuntu answer]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Ciro_Santilli.png[height=400]

[[wife]] ===== Ciro Santilli's wife 三西猴的老婆

Born and raised in China: <>.

She and her mother do <>, see also: <>.

Believes to be descendant of the brother of a recent Qing emperor, see also: <>.

For this same reason, her father, who Ciro's wife worships, spent around 10 years in the 50's for being branded a counter revolutionary rightist (右派) during one of <> purges, possibly:


It is also for this reason that many Manchu changed their names to hide their Manchu origins, which makes reconstructing their family tree much harder, as mentioned at: for the purposes of <>.

Ciro's wife:

  • studied in[one of the best universities of China]
  • met Ciro his wife when they were in possibly theÉcole_Polytechnique[best engineering university in France] after she had refused opportunities to go to the USA
  • obtained a PhD in[number theory] in one of the[best mathematics universities in the world]

and is way smarter than Ciro.

<> can say many things about her, but claiming that she is not intelligent or has no culture or would have any difficulty in obtaining a qualified worker VISA without a marriage, is a lost argument from the start, she would likely kick your butt in a raw intelligence competition.

Ciro is actually the lucky one for having found her!

The fake "the woman makes the man" Obama story comes to mind

One night President Obama and his wife Michelle decided to do something out of routine and go for a casual dinner at a restaurant that wasn't too luxurious. When they were seated, the owner of the restaurant asked the President's Secret Service if he could please speak to the First Lady in private. They obliged and Michelle had a conversation with the owner.

Following this conversation President Obama asked Michelle, "Why was he so interested in talking to you?" She mentioned that in her teenage years, he had been madly in love with her. President Obama then said, "So if you had married him, you would now be the owner of this lovely restaurant," to which Michelle responded, "No. If I had married him, he would now be the President."

=== How do different websites view Ciro Santilli's profile?

<> contains a more general overview. This contains website specifics.

==== Stack Overflow

This is where <> started his <> originally in 2015 as explained at: <>.

The current consensus says that keyword attacks are allowed:


The Chinese law doesn't unfortunately: <>

Since you will fail through Stack Overflow moderation, please consider instead making a report on the <>.

===== Other openly dissident users on Stack Overflow

For non-Stack Overflow specific ones see: <>

Query to find them:

Notable ones only here (high rep or innovative criticism):

  • "GNUSupporter 8964民主女神 地下教會" ** Real name: Vincent Tam from social media links. **民主女神-地下教會# ** ** Keyword attack inspired by me
  • Yu Hao ** ** ** "<> is one of the most notorious inventions in the history of Internet. Anyone working for it should be ashamed."
  • gotqn ** "Free Tibet From China Domination" ** **
  • Scott 混合理论 +混合理论 + The same message as Yu Hao, I wonder if it is an external thing or direct copy of Yu, but no Google hits besides them.
  • Terry Wang ** ** ** Lego recreation of Tankman on the profile picture: <>

Users who had <> references but removed it:

  • **
  • **

Misc interesting stuff:

  • 火车站酒店小姐 (about 20 accounts with that pattern) **莆田火车站酒店小姐 ** ** Interesting list of prostitution spam/sockpuppets? All have the exact same profile information. ** Hitting query due to "审查", but the usage is unrelated to the Firewall.

Query to find them:

====== Stack Overflow anti-dissident users

  • ** *** username: "请封掉Ciro Santilli 中国共产党万岁" *** profile: "中国万岁! 中国共产党万岁! 法轮功,民运,台独在中国共产党的铁蹄下不过是螳臂当车!" ** became a coward, renamed to "LookIntoEast" *** more shitcomments "可惜啊中国一天比一天强大繁荣,中国的实力碾压你们轮子跟捏死一只蚂蚁那么简单。哈哈哈哈", Yes, the CCP is very good at <>. A great thing to be proud of. ** mentioned at from <> ** a questions only account, not many intelligent CCP supporters out there of course. 2020 edit mentions: mentions "How time flies. Almost 10 years ago I started to work on bioinformatics without any coding skills. Then I gave up my PhD and previous career and becomes a pure software engineer."
  • ** ** username: "Ciro Santilli 的造谣是可耻行为"
  • ** username: "Snowden Assange Wounded Knee" ** profile: "燃(ri)烧(si)您(ni)的(de)梦(ma),Ciro Santilli. StackOverflow上的一个用户. The Oliver Stone Experience" ** explanation: *** "燃烧您的梦": *** "Wounded Knee":

==== GitHub

GitHub's site policy can be seen at:

If you believe this page violates those policies, you can click the report abuse button on[Ciro's profile], which links to: or you can just contacat [email protected]

If you do so, please feel free to also open an issue on this repository saying why you believe the site policy has been violated.

Those issues will be marked with:

It will be fun to watch you try, and fail.

This is because you do not understand how important the concept of <> in the West, and how amazing it feels when you are right, and it protects you.

The only thing that would work is if the Chinese government makes a gov-takedown on this repo: <>, in which case: <>.

In order to get this repository in gov-takedown, your best bet is to use the <>.

China's GitHub censorship history is documented at:[], some events:

  • 2019-07-29 "GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea". "As part of the push, Friedman said GitHub has enforced new restrictions to prevent users in sanctioned countries from accessing private repositories and GitHub Marketplace, as well as maintaining private paid organization accounts" ** protest repo against the sanctions, archived as of 2020-08 ** "Use gitee from china" recommending <>


  • <>
  • Scratch visual programming language for children website blocked

===== GitHub censored subdomains

It appears according to <> however that there are some important GitHub censored subdomains, notably:

  •[], from which images and other downloads are served. Therefore all images served from GitHub should be broken in China
  •[],[]: meh, that's useless, just create a repo and dump your stuff there

However, at least for raw, <> disagrees:

  • 2020-09-30 |
  • 2020-09-30 |

More information:


===== GitHub gov-takedowns

GitHub has absolute transparency on Government takedowns, which is awesome:

This makes that repo into a list of fun things.

As of 2019-05 there had only been only two takedowns by China however, compared to dozens by <>. The Chinese commies are not big fans of transparency it seems.

As of 2020-03, besides the <> takedown, all other takedowns happened in 2019, and most seem to be <>/<> sponsored ways to <>.

The message GitHub shows on the blocked countries is:

Repository unavailable in your location

This repository is currently disabled in your location. For more details please see the takedown notice.

Here are some examples of people reacting to the blocking of as per from China (and likely on the entire repository, which appears to be the block granularity implemented):

  • ([archive])
  • corresponding Google bomb at:

See also: <>

To check China only takedowns such as this, we cannot use <>, which reports the page as accessible: the only tool <> could find so far to capture a page from China a bit like Web Archive was: <>

.<> of from <> taken on 2020-09-31 from China. The "Repository unavailable in your location" message shows, since[this repository is in gov-takedowns/china]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/GitHubProgramthinkZhaoissue38Chinageoscreenshot202009_31.png[height=400]

====== Strategy if this repo gets added to GitHub gov-takedowns

If this happens, we well proceed to create alternative repos

, etc. and it would be fun to see how that gets handled.

Can they add an entire user to gov-takedowns?

But remember that we also have: <>, and that this can be easily rendered as a single HTML page and uploaded to any static website host.

[[gov-takedowns-china]] ====== gov-takedowns/China

Skipping all <>/<> repos with very few stars, mostly some <> skip methods, those are noise, and possibly added only to dilute the real deal.

  • 2016 **[][]. <>
  • 2019 ** *** Wiki of <>. <>. Precise issue: ** ***[], see also: <>

===== GitHub repositories with censored information

For lists of censored information outside of GitHub see: <>.

Content outside of GitHub: <>.

  • taibangle (太棒了) ** **
  • ** Open letter by student activist Xin about the events described at["China's #MeToo: How a 20-Year-Old Rape Case Became a Rallying Cry"] ** in-tree translation ** 2018-04 "TRANSLATION: OPEN LETTER ON PKU #METOO CASE"
  • see also <>

Mentioned in other sections:

  • <>
  • <>
  • <>
  • mentioned at <>
  • from <>
  • <>

Interesting users:

  • ** appears to give a lot of focus to <>, e.g.: *** Falun Gong information repository *** automatic scraper of news from banned websites into the repository, with top sites being <> ** present in <>
  • ** is the main repository, TODO what it contains exactly? Code, or just documentation of existing methods?

Non-information but also interesting:


[[terminus2049]] ====== Terminus2049 端点星计划


Jekyl GitHub Pages repository that saves full text copies of censored articles:


This repository stores deleted articles.

Also accompanies a dynamic forum which appears to be where content for the static pages gets discussed and brought up. But it possible that the website has been compromised and is leaking identity of users.

The "Terminus" in the repo name seems to be a reference to Isaac Asimov's fictional[Terminus planet] which is called端点星[端点星] in Chinese, but it is not clear where the 2049 comes from in that context. Forgetting the Chinese name, Terminus2049 could be a reference to the fictional["World War Terminus"] from the[Blade Runner 2049 (2019)] movie, which also explains the 2049.

First commint on 2018-04-27, GitHub pages domain blocked in China at least since 2019-03 according to <>: but not in <> as of 2020-04.

The full post list can be seen most conveniently at: The number of articles is insane, usually several every day.

Most articles appear to be taken from recent news at the time of writting, although there are a few from before the repo started. As of 2020-04, the oldest article was from 2016 Metoo events reported by Yue Xin (岳昕), some other topics include:

  • <>
  • <>
  • <>

They use Jekyll tags a lot, which makes for a good grouping of the topics.

In 2020-04-25, it was reported that three Beijing-based contributors were arrested during <>:

  • Chinese article, gives the Chinese names, and some background on the arrested people


  • Chen Mei (陈玫) **玫-陈-1607b735/ a LinkedIn account with matching photo and name
  • Cai Wei (蔡伟)
  • Xiao Tang (小唐), who is also Cai Wei's girlfriend

In 2020-06-12 their families received calls saying that they had been charged with <>:


Ciro's petition to free them:

TODO what are their GitHub accounts? Contributions appear to be anonymized behind: That appears to be just a shared account though, not an actual bot. So how did the police find their true identities?

.Side-by-side photos of Chen Mei (陈玫) and Cai Wei (蔡伟).[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Chenmei_Caowei.png[height=400]

====== chinatimeline

Explores several sentitive topics through interesting timelines with many pictures, for example:

  • <>:
  • <>:
  • religious persecution, including <>:

===== Gitee

For our mirror there, see: <>.

Linked to "Open Source China" (开源中国) according to TechCrunch:

The project will be carried out by a consortium led by Open Source China, the Shenzhen-based firm behind its namesake open-source community and Gitee.

  • GitHub OAuth goes through that organization
  • their website


  • <> open sourced is[Harmony OS] "IoT operating system" in Gitee: + The name of that OS is pure gold considering the Chinese origin, since "to harmonize" is often used as a way to say "to censor negative CCP information". + That URL also likely highlights Huawei's intense influence on Gitee, the as the custom domain redirects to it:[], as opposed to what normal users can likely create[].
  • 2020-08-21 "China is building a GitHub alternative called Gitee" + <> commented about his <> experiment there, it got 26 upvotes 13 downvotes, and as removed as "This post violated our policy.". There is no way to appeal that in that idiotic system. It is absed on: It is also bugged as fuck. Sometimes says violates policy, then there's a JavaScript update andthe comment shows.

====== Gitee censorship

After posting our <> there, it was blocked in 12 hours:

  • ** archive immediately after creation: ** blocked archive 12 hours later: + ___ {"status":404,"data":null,"message":"404 Not Found"} ____
  • ** archive immediately after: ** archive 12 hours later: + ____ {"status":403,"data":null,"message":"The user has been blocked"} ____

The block email is:


仓库 cirosantilli/China Dictatorship 已被锁定

原因: 根据相关法律法规和政策,本仓库暂停访问。

[[zhihu]] ==== Zhihu 知乎

The Chinese <> clone, but highly censored: <>.

Some interesting questions not related to <>. Ciro related questions at: <>.

  • <> ** "为什么有人一边支持审查制度一边还喜欢看美剧、日漫?" "Why are some people in favor of censorship, but at the same time still like to watch American series?" ([archive]) ** Censorship in Zhihu *** "你对知乎的审查系统有何意见?" "What is your view of Zhihu's censorship system?" ([archive]) "由于众所周知的原因,知乎上的文章和答案一旦涉及某些字眼,就会触发审查,其方式是让你的文字暂时仅自己可见" *** 从知乎建站以来被封禁的用户都有哪些?Since Zhihu's founding, which accounts have been blocked on the website? ([archive]) ([archive]). The top answer contains a list, and a brief explanation of why some of them were banned: **** Ciro Santilli: S/O 红人 (fStack Overflow celebrity) **** "ww" in explanations means "big laugh" according to: because a single "w" means a small laugh **** several accounts are linked to one specific answer or comment **** other accounts are classified as often commenting on <> material
  • <> ** <> *** ([blocked as of 2020-04],[archive from 2015]) 家里有人练法轮功是一种怎样的体验? How is it like to live with Falun Gong believers? ** <> *** ([blocked as of 2020-04],[2016-03 archive]) "全能神教在境外,法轮功也在境外,为什么他们不祸害境外人民、偏偏只祸害大陆人?"<> exists outside of the country [China], Falun Gong exists outside of the country, so why is is that they don't harm people in those countries, but only harm people in Mainland China?"
  • <> ** "为什么中国影视作品不允许LGBT的出现?" "Why is it not allowed to show LGBT content in Chinese film and television?" ([archive])
  • <>

.The Zhihu 404 page image. When they take the posts down as of 2020, it shows the 404 page which reads "你似乎来到了没有知识存在的荒原" (you seem to have come to a wasteland about which does does not exist any knowledge), and shows this symbol.[Source]. i mage::[height=500]

==== Zhihu censorship

More general censorship discussion at: <>.

Examples of Zhihu censorship:

  • <>
  • <>

Other discussions:


[[zhihu-purge]] ===== Ciro Santilli's Zhihu purge 2019-11-03

On this day, not only the posts made by Ciro himself were deleted: he had never asked any questions or made any Zhuanlan posts himself, only replied to those. But that content made by other users was still removed. Therefore, this is not just a simple user ban, but active censorship.

Ciro received an email from [email protected]:

您好,Ciro Santilli,很抱歉您的回答受到了牵连,您回答过的问题「[email protected] 是谁维护的,为什么会收集邮箱地址?」因「违反互联网相关法律法规」已被删除。

followed by Ciro's answer to <>. Ciro could not login anymore, the login screen showed:

帐号已停用,请联系:use[email protected]

So likely someone must have used the fact that this was an edgy personally information release subject issue, and then someone from Zhihu decided to purge Ciro and anyone posts that ever talked about him.

Ciro's blocked account:

  • before deletion:
  • after deletion (redirects to login page):

Random unblocked control account: ([archive]).

Furthermore, all questions related to Ciro, including the posts criticizing him such as, were taken down. This made Ciro laugh: in China, you can't even criticize that which is censored, or your post also gets taken down.

Ciro then created an anonymous Zhihu account after this event.

Interestingly however, the following answer came up later on: <> and stayed up for at least 5 months, which indicates that Zhihu did a one-off removal, and did not set up a filter for Ciro's name.

====== Ciro Santilli's Zhihu ban 2018-06-25

<> was banned from Zhihu on 2018-06-25 for "<>" content.

As a result, since that time I will be answering Zhihu questions as issues in this repo with the


I have however never posted anything politically sensitive on Zhihu, unless my name and profile picture have reached that distinction, and therefore the ban is clearly an unfair per-person ban.

But of course, all is fair in love and war, and politics.

Posting any sensitive content on Chinese websites is a waste of time, since it only means that they will be removed and you will waste time creating a new account, I will never do that.

The only significant content I ever posted on Zhihu is the answer to: which is purely technical, and trivial replies on threads that other people have started about me. Have those people been blocked like me?

My posts are still up and it does not appear to be possible for people to see that I have been banned, but whenever I try to take any action on the website a popup appears saying:

由于严重违反 知乎社区管理规定 ,该帐号已被永久禁言

This includes liking, commenting, answering, asking or trying to update my profile to say that I have been blocked.

This message also shows on my public page for everyone to see: but they use some JavaScript scheme complicated enough that cannot capture it.

I still get notifications however, but I am unable to reply to them, especially given that all Chinese accounts, unlike mine, have no personal identifiable information due to the understandable fear Chinese citizens have of their own government, even though such accounts might be illegal in theory: <>.

The only action that I can take now is to report abusive comments people make to me.

Obviously, the only effect of such ban is that I will create an <> under Tor with a second cell phone if I wish to contribute in the future, and China will have less information about my political interests than before.

The private messages the website sends while banning you are:

知乎管理员 :您好,根据用户举报,您的帐号发布了「<>」内容,帐号已根据知乎社区规范被永久禁言。处理详情可查看社区服务中心。具体规范请查看知乎社区管理规定。 6月25日 16:37 回复 | 删除

知乎管理员 :您好,根据用户举报,您的部分个人信息由于不符合知乎用户信息管理规范已被重置。用户名可以在设置页面中修改,修改后会自动进入审核等待通过;其他个人信息可以在个人主页中编辑。感谢您对知乎社区的理解和支持。 6月25日 16:37 回复 | 删除

Those messages contain links to: | and |

The ban came soon after I posted a link to my GitHub repo as a comment at: maybe they are related.

====== Who reported Ciro Santilli on Zhihu

At the same time the ban happened I received a public comment from user "Eureka" | on this thread: | saying:

你滥用了github, 也滥用了Stackover。这个一个纯粹计算机、编程和知识分享的地方,请不要带入政治性的色彩。请不要这么做, 维护社区的非政治性、中立和技术性纯粹,是每个热爱cs的人应尽的义务。

I am unable to get a URL that shows the comment on, so I have no proof of this claim. If you trust me, then here is a screenshot:

Since I expect the ban lists to be private, I find it extremely likely that this was the user who reported me, unless both were simultaneously triggered by a third event which I have not seen. So correct me if I'm wrong here.

Users with the same user id

, related "Eureka" username or same profile picture, can be found at:
  • (unable to archive)
  • | which suggests a possible real name

By Googling the email found on the GitHub repos, we find: | which might, at last, contain a photo of my nemesis.

My public message to the reporter whomever he may be:

While you have also raised issues that were raised a thousand times before, and clearly answered in the FAQ, at least you were able to take some actual action leading to an actual ban, and I respect you for that.

I hope that one day you will redirect that cunning and initiative towards taking down the root cause of the problem, which are the Chinese communist Party and their Firewall themselves.

===== Zhihu questions related to Ciro Santilli

Parent section: <>

All Zhihu posts related to Ciro Santilli were deleted following <>. Some had been deleted before.

  • 2019-06-12: ([archive before deletion], ([archive after deletion])) "德国极端分子黑我们大中国!犯我中华者,虽远必诛!!". Ciro wonders why the poster thought Ciro was German.
  • 2019-03: ([archive before deletion], ([archive after deletion])) "如何看待Github Trending上Ciro Santilli的众多开源项目?". Due to: being featured on Hacker News:
  • 2018-11: ([archive before deletion], ([archive after deletion])) "如何评价Ciro Santilli对Stack Overflow和GitHub的扰乱?"
  • 2017-03-07: ([archive before deletion], ([archive after deletion])) "StackOverflow 上的一个智障用户" ** 2017-03 ([archive]) by ([archive]) "StackOverflow 上的一个智障用户" contains a copy of the post by the same author. + It just makes Ciro smile whenever he thinks that their post criticizing Ciro was deleted by the CCP, and they still might support the CCP, <>. + As of 2020, that website generates a constant stream of incoming traffic to the issue it links to:[]. Unfortunately brglng was a coward and removed his comments leaving the conversation a bit broken, and this was before Ciro <>.
  • 2015-08-18: ([archive before deletion], ([archive after deletion])) "你们怎么看stackoverflow上某人故意屏蔽中国访问的事件?"

A random control question that shows that 404's are actually deleted questions: ([archive]).

Mentions not yet deleted as of writing:

  • at <>

[[zhihu-ted-chiang-answer]] ====== Answer to the Zhihu question "How do you evaluate Ted Chiang's 'Evil Chinese Characters' essay?" "如何评价姜峯楠(Ted Chiang)在纽约客上的随笔《坏汉字》?"的回答 ([archive])

Contains reactions to the post: <>, and this answer says that even though Ciro Santilli is amazingly smart, he cannot be bothered to learn Chinese characters, quoting Ciro's comments from: <>.

This post was interesting because it happened after <>, which indicates that Zhihu did not setup an automated "Ciro Santilli" filter.

[[zhihu-46957710]] ====== [email protected] 是谁维护的,为什么会收集邮箱地址? ([archive before deletion], ([archive after deletion])).

Asked in 2016-09 after Ciro published:

Deleted after <>. Ciro's answer before deletion:

你用的git config user.email当然是公开的:谁都会git clone就知道了。

问题就是git repository很大,我们不会都clone.





  1. Google 把邮件从BigQuery删除
  2. GitHub 更新他们的隐私声明GitHub Privacy Statement



==== Quora

Quora is a generally shitty website, with mechanisms that allow <> to quench freedom of speech.

Ironically, as usual, is it also blocked in China:

  • according to <>:
  • 2018-03 news coverage

Examples of activity related to Ciro Santilli:

  • 2016 Ciro Santilli's profile was blocked because it had Chinese keywords on both my username and credentials. Justification: "non-English". +
  • 2017 created one in English: Cook <> Noodle Shop, from <> + Added my Noodle shop to maps:,15.6687509,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x94603408e3c63fb3!8m2!3d60.6132538!4d15.6687509 + Leach websites that picked it up:

Quora is also shitty because wumaos can downvote your answer privately regardless of reputation and make it become collapsed as "Answer may need improvement", which means it goes to the bottom and readers have to click an "expand collapsed answers" button to see it, so that very few people will ever see it.

Then have to appeal and wait for moderators to evaluate it.

This happened for example at: (see also <>).

Ciro appealed in 2020-03-10 and the answer was reinstated on day later, but by then the question was already not being suggested as much to readers, and the other wumao answers (which criticize the USA rather than answering the question about China).

While there is some probability that the answers themselves are not wumaos, their upvoters almost certainly are and must be investigated.

Other shitty aspects of Quora include:

  • block <> archives with their robots.txt, gotta use <>
  • automatically add random topics that you don't care about to your suggestions, with no easy way to prevent that.
  • questions cannot have more than one sentence. There used to be a question body, but it was replaced with a "link for context". Ridiculous.

As a result, on the few occasions that Ciro posts on Quora, all content will also be mirrored here. Ciro's China Quora answers include:

Some <>:

  •[]: a Han supremacist!

[[ptt]] ==== PTT Bulletin Board System 批踢踢實業坊


Popular <> forum system and server from 1995, pre HTML, works from telnet terminal, so likely very programmer heavy, and obviously anti-CCP, as of 2020 often shows <> ads.

Ciro Santilli's appearances on PTT:

  • 2020-01-31: "stackoverflow菁英卻痛恨中國" by["Eric0605 (我還有點餓)"] on the Gossiping board
  • 2017-06-19 "Ciro Santilli <> 六四事件 法轮" on the Gossiping board
  • 2016-10-03 "Github也出現網軍了嗎?" by gocreating on the SoftJob board

Archaic, fucking impossible to learn how to use. Ciro Santilli hasn't managed yet, so if you want a reply from him, open an issue on this repo instead.

TODO: can anyone comment, without having a Taiwanese university address? This suggests no: Also asked at:


Maybe the email requirement is the only way to prevent <> from flooding the website.

Normal people see it on a web viewer hosted on:

However it is fucking impossible to web archive that web interface because there is a cookie I'm 18-years-old confirmation before the first connection.

This shows how to connect for the first time:

One attempt is:

.... luit -encoding big5 telnet ....

But the main page says:

"本站目前暫停開放新帳號註冊。" "This site is currently suspended for new account registration."

And you try

it says: "目前無法註冊帳號![按任意鍵繼續]" "Account cannot be registered at this time."

OK, ptt2 went further:

.... luit -encoding big5 telnet ....

Then there is a registration process that seem to require you to prove that you work at Taiwanese university, but not sure it is mandatory to post.

But I couldn't find Gossiping there either, which is the only board that matters, so not sure it is on this server.

[[lihkg]] ==== LIHKG (連登)



<> Reddit. Requires a Hong Kong IP or university address to login, a bit in the spirit of <> to avoid <>.

TODO meaning of "LI"?

<> mentions:

  • 2018-07-31 Title: "依條友都幾屈機, 係Stack overflow撚共匪". I'm unable to understand the first sentence, but the end is something along "to play tricks on the commies". First comment (likely by OP): "佢個個人home page好多5毛留言, 唔知會唔會搞到block堆stackoverflow". The entire thread is about Ciro's <>.
  • 2019-10-05 "聽講GitHub好好用" (Attending lectures on GitHub is very useful.). But likely some slang for politics, because on first comment "可以好好上去發表下愛國論". Then someone links to <>, then to the GitHub <>, and then to <>.
  • 2019-10-31 "Notepad{plus}{plus}新版代號「自由維吾爾」,GitHub網頁被灌爆,網站遭DDoS" about <> "Free Uyghur" version. On page 3 comment links to Ciro's <> account. Big thread with 500+ likes.

[[google]] ==== Google 谷歌

Related subjects:

  • <>
  • <>

[[google-mirrors]] ===== Google mirrors 谷歌镜像

Do the names mean anything? Are they owned? The fact that they are Alexa top 1000 domains is just so funny, Google redirects for China.

Alexa top 1000 domains and blocked in China as per <>:

  • large list of university Google/Google Scholar/Wikipedia/Twitter mirrors maintained by Chinese university students under an unified system. Each one asks for verification that you are from that university via some little known fact about the university:

  • from[Zhejiang University] "需要验证您是否来自浙江大学". Question: "请问浙江大学内网最大的论坛中, 每天发帖量最大的版块是哪个?" (Ask your colleagues on the internal forum, what is the most popular section of the forum every day?)
  • from[Nanjing University] "需要验证您是否来自南京大学" Question: "西大楼是哪个系的?" (Which department is in the big Western building?)

Other mirrors:

  • 闭站维护中

No HTTPS?!?! Brains?!?!


Lists of mirrors:


[[christianity]] === Christianity 基督教

The commies are not a fan. But as someone once told me: the commies are not a fan of a bunch of things!

As mentioned at there are only a few state approved churches under total CCP control, and the others are forbidden. For example one of them is called the[Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association]! God and CCP on the same sentence.[Pope Pius XII] excommunicated people from that organization who were appointing new Bishops!

  • 2018-12 "100 Christians detained in China crackdown" published by CNN
  • 2018-09 Vatican Christian pope makes deal with China +–HolySeerelations#September2018HolySee–ChinaAgreement + .<> 2018-09 cartoon showing the Pope with a Christian cross containing the Hammer and Sickle communist symbol, in reference to one of the accords that the Vatican struck with the Chinese government.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/PopeCCPdeal.jpeg[height=400]
  • 2018-01 Chinese authorities demolish Christian mega-church "Golden Lampstand" sparking fears of religious persecution ** + .China's Golden Lampstand Church being demolished.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Church_demolition.jpg[height=400]
  • 2016 pastor 14 years jail
  • 2015

.<> 2018-09 cartoon showing Jesus and the Apostles in the Last Supper being arrested by CCP guards.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/LastSupperarrest.jpeg[height=400]

.[Zhang Hongtu] cartoon showing <> and other communist officials at the Last Supper instead of Jesus and the Apostles.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/LastSupper_Mao.jpg[height=400]

[[life-of-brian-nazi-jew]] . Nazi Jew deleted scene from <>. If you want to stop <>, don't put them in jail like the <>. Do it the same way you stop dictators: with <>. Otherwise, the dictators remain in power, and <>. <> is a good documentary about it. video::wthHB3iTC7M[youtube,width=600,height=400,start=556]

. "How China uses intimidation, negotiation to bring Christians under its control" by CBC News: The National (2018). Talks about the Pope's deal with the CCP. Shows some good footage of a house church with a guard in front of the door. video::tRr1U9EvWI[youtube,width=600,height=400,start=556]

[[eastern-lightning]] ==== Eastern Lightning 全能神教會 (1991-)


A persecuted Christian sect that believes that some Chinese woman is Jesus.

[[gay-rights]] === Gay rights LGBT权利

Yes, gay people are also <>, and even legally prohibited notably in the Islamic world.

But <>, they are generally more fucked in <>, since they can be easily crushed by majorities.

Therefore, all gay people must be against the CCP:

  • 2020-08-14 "Shanghai Pride cancelled after 11 years in blow to China’s LGBT community". " Organisers are 'taking a break from scheduling any future events', they say in social media message". ** the Tweet: "上海骄傲节终止所有活动" (Shanhai Pride will be stopping all activities) **
  • 2020-01-07 "Why is China raising the prospect of same-sex marriage?"
  • 2018 Weibo temporary homosexual ban: ** 2018-04-16 "China's Weibo reverses ban on 'homosexual' content after outcry", hashtags
    ** 2018-04-13
  • 2017-07-16 "Chinese gay video ban sparks online backlash" ** 2017-06-30 "New Rules for Online Videos in China: "No Displays of Homosexuality""
  • 2016-03-04 "China bans depictions of gay people on television". One of the most prominent series banned was link:++[Addicted (2016, 上瘾)]. + .Widely distributed still from the Addicted 2016 series which was banned showing a presumably gay couple lying in bed.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Addicted_bed.jpg[height=400]

See also:

  • |中国同性恋史
  • |各地LGBT权利
  • <>
  • at <>

.Lesbian couple kissing in <> with Mao's painting and confused/disgusted guards in the background who are likely about to call their superiors to ask what they should do. The photo likely surfaced in 2006[as mentioned] in link:++[] which said it came form[Boing Boing]. It was not however picked up by any major website. Ciro actually thought this could have been ripped from some television series due to the amazing expression on the guards' faces. TODO: find the original Chinese source, translate the watermarks, and see if their identity is known.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tianmenlesbiankiss.jpg[height=500]

[[qing-gay-scroll]] .<> (18th–19th c.) panel from a scroll showing two men engaging in foreplay, apparently located in the[Kinsey Institute] as of 2005. For an ancient depiction of heterosexual sexual activity, see <>.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/QingDinastygay_foreplay.jpg[height=400]

[[russia]] == Russia 俄罗斯

Russia is clearly the number 2 <> in the world by population / GDP and the link:[#1 nuclear arsenal], so here we go.

Ciro has always been curious about how Russia can be both oppressive and a appear democratic, unlike China which doesn't even try to pretend. This is what he gathers:

  • the government controls all major media. If any media says bad things against them, the government finds pretexts to create lawsuits or increase taxes against such companies. Therefore all people end up thinking that the government is good.
  • just like China, <>, especially the US, as a justification for having an oppressive power.
  • the government puts pressure on any significant opposition candidate. One technique is to find some reason to put them in jail for two months, which by Russian law forbids them from participating in further elections. Only candidates that don't really stand a chance are left as a fake opposition. But if you reach some prominence, you start taking the same risks as politicians, although you are more likely to face more brutal illegal gangster violence threats as you are less visible

See also: <>

While we are at it, some interesting news:

  • 2019-12-14 "Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet". Russia's <> is ready?
  • 2018-04 "Russia to block Telegram app over encryption"
  • 2017 Russia Jehovah's Witnesses banned after they lose appeal
  • 2017
  • 2016
  • 1995 Vladislav Listyev ** **Листьев,Владислав_Николаевич

The Russians have very different style to the Chinese, who are much more subtle, and just put people in jail or handicap them in several ways without killing them.

Other political murders or attempts:

  • 2015 Boris Nemtsov Немцов, Борис Ефимович |Немцов,Борис_Ефимович

Some other interesting political suppression lists:

  • of journalists killed in Russia.
  •[List of Soviet and Russian assassinations]
  • 2017 "Here are 10 critics of Vladimir Putin who died violently or in suspicious ways"

Freedom of speech reports:

  • 2017-07-18 "Online and On All Fronts Russia's Assault on Freedom of Expression"

Other random stuff:

  • <>

[[federal-list-of-extremist-materials]] === Federal List of Extremist Materials (Федеральный список экстремистских материалов)


<>, they have a public list, each entry had a numerical ID even. This is the best thing ever made! The dream for <>!

Most of it appears to be anti/<>, and notably anti-anti-semitic but several items are purely political anti-freedoms.

One wonders if the majority of the items are just fillers to hide the really juicy anti-freedom ones.

We need to make a GitHub mirror of all of those some day!

The list:[] Here's an archive:[]. The website has a CSV for download with all entries at the bottom. Enca says the encoding is "MS-Windows code page 1251", convert to UTF-8 with:

.... iconv -f WINDOWS-1251 -t UTF-8//IGNORE export.csv ....

is needed because their fucking CSV export has a bug and otherwise
stops at the first error.

Result at:

From this we can grep, and then to overcome translation limits as there is no offline option yet:[], dump your selection on a gist and use Google translate on the Gist.

A website "dedicated" to bypassing censorship of the list:[]. TODO much of that website's content is not clearly marked as being on the list.

Some notable additions:

  • 2791: "Blowing up Russia: Terror from Within" by <>
  • Religion ** 1171, 1172, 1173: "What is Scientology", which likely refers to this L. Ron Hubbard book.[] and two other books. Coverage: ** 2904: Jehovah's Witnesses website[]. Coverage:
  • Ukraine due to <> ** 2596: A. M. Byvshev's poem "Ukrainian patriots", where he disagreed with Russian intervention in Donbass and supported military resistance by Ukrainians. ** searching for "суда" (Crimea) has dozens of hits
  • Anti-Putin and apparently non hate-crime: ** 1000: *** Leaflets with the following content: "Down with the power of the Cheka-nuty Putin and Medvedev", "Down with the power of the Cheka-nuty Putin" *** Листовки следующего содержания: «Долой власть ЧК-нутых Путина и Медведева», «Долой власть ЧК-нутого Путина» ** 4071: <> ** 4914: *** The book "Where did Mr. Putin take Russia?" author Yu.E. Kozenkov (M., 2005 - 208 p.) *** "Книга «Куда завел Россию мистер Путин?» автор Ю.Е. Козенков (М., 2005 – 208 с.)

[[roskomnadzor]] ==== Roskomnadzor (Роскомнадзор)


The Russian censorship body under <>. The Russian <>.

They are the ones who make Russian takedowns on <>, e.g.

[[putin]] === Putin Путин 普京 (1999-2008, 2012-∞)



  • 2019-12-19: Putin proposes abolishing term limits. <>: ** ** ** 2020-03-25 vote delayed due to <>
  • 2014 Putin khuylo! **! **Путин—_хуйло!

==== Putin-sponsored poisonings

Russia apparently has a long list of poisoning political enemies:

  • 2020 <>
  • 2018 <>
  • 2012 Alexander Perepilichny Перепеличный, Александр Юрьевич |Перепеличный,Александр_Юрьевич
  • 2006 <>
  • 2004 Anna Politkovskaya Анна Политковская |Политковская,Анна_Степановна
  • 2004 Viktor Yushchenko Ющенко, Виктор Андреевич |Ющенко,Виктор_Андреевич


[[superputin]] ==== Superputin

Meme partially supported by Putin himself, showing how physically strong and <> the president is. A form of <>.

Similar to[Chuck Norris facts].

"Putin does manly things" photo galleries:

  • 2017-06-07 ([archive])

.Putin swims Butterfly stroke in a Siberian lake around August 2009. The Telegraph[correctly interpreted this as a sign that he would be re-elected in 2012]. For reference[Lake Baikal in Siberia has a maximum temperature of 14 °C in summer]. Other dictators have used similar swim tactics before, the most notable possibly being <>.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Putinswim.jpg[height=400]

.Putin riding a horse shirtless[near Lake Seliger in August 2009].[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Putin_horse.jpg[height=500]

.Putin riding a bear.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Putin_bear.jpg[height=400]

.Putin riding a shark.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Putin_shark.png[height=400]

.Putin riding a giant eagle.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Putin_eagle.webp[height=400]

.Putin riding a meteor.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Putin_meteor.webp[height=400]

.Putin riding a dinosaur in a Sci-Fi planet.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Putin_dinosaur.webp[height=400]

[[gay-putin]] ==== Gay Putin (2017)

Added to the <>.



<> is not super popular in Russia in general:

  • 2013 Russian gay propaganda law (2013) forbids the favorable depiction of homosexuality to minors

.The possibly Gay Putin clown image banned in 2017.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Gay_Putin.jpg[height=400]

[[putin-trump-kiss]] .Possibly Gay Putin kissing possibly Gay <> mural entitled[Make Everything Great Again] painted in Lithuania in 2016 by by artists Dominykas Čečkauskas and Mindaugas Bonanu. It references the[Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections]. It was[later vandalized]. Now we just need a Putin <> kiss. Trump Xi kiss[can be found here].[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/PutinTrumpkiss.jpg[height=400]

[[skripal]] ==== The poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal Серге́й Ви́кторович Скрипáль (2018-03-04)


For more poisonings see: <>.

In 4 March 2018, the Russian double agent and his daughter were poisoned with agent, a Soviet-era nerve agent, which was likely put on their front door knob in[Salisbury, UK], exact address[Christie Miller Road]! Straight out of a spy novel.

On 30 June 2018, the man of an unlucky drug addict couple found the counterfeit expensive looking[Nina Ricci] Premier Jour perfume bottle containing the poison, and gave it to the woman who died. How unlucky can you fucking be, as if heavy drug addiction weren't enough, you still have to deal with fucking Russian Novichok!

.The assassination suspects Alexander Mishkin (Алекса́ндр Евге́ньевич Ми́шкин, alias Alexander Petrov) and Anatoliy Chepiga (Анатолий Владимирович Чепига, alias Ruslan Boshirov) in a CCTV still at Salisbury Station on 3rd March 2018 the day before the assassination. Both GRU and Alexander being a doctor, which is consistent with a poisoning assassination attempt. They later explained on an RT interview that they were visiting the[world renowned Salisbury Cathedral] in their 3 day trip to the UK, and that they <>. Some Western sources interpreted this as an intentional suggestion that they are gay, which for many Russians would imply that they cannot be FSB agents.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Skripalassassins_station.jpg[height=400]

.Counterfeit Nina Ricci Premier Jour packet that contained the Novichok.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Skripal_perfume.jpg[height=400]

. "Full Skripal case interview with the UK's suspects (EXCLUSIVE)" by RT with Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov. Not gay moment at:[461s]. video::Ku8OQNyI2i0[youtube,height=400,width=600]

==== Electoral fraud in Russian elections

Besides barring opposition from participating such as <>, electoral fraud was off the charts:

. 2019-09-12 CCTV footage of Vasily Dyachenko (Василий Дьяченко), who had reported electoral fraud concerns regional 2019 elections, getting surprise punched in the stomach at the St. Petersburg polling station 1619, while the police who is right in front of it do nothing about it. English coverage: video::-KQlCRLCwI[youtube,height=400,width=600]

. 2018-03-18 alleged[ballot stuffing electoral fraud] caught on CCTV in Lyubertsy, Moscow Oblast video::3oSeRyaFllY[youtube,height=400,width=600] Мусора избили ребёнка и наблюдателей на выборах TODO find English version


  • Golos (Голос) is the main independent election monitor organization in Russia: ** **Голос(мониторингвыборов)

[[litvinenko]] ==== The murder of Alexander Litvinenko Литвиненко, Александр Вальтерович (2006)


Poisoned with polonium-210, for more poisonings see: <>:

  • 2006-10-29 ** meets with two former FSB agents Dmitry Kovtun and Andrey Lugovoy at Millenium Hotel London TODO exact address ** eats with[Mario Scaramella] at an Itsu in London TODO exact address. <> believes the[Itsu] food to be the real cause of death.
  • 2006-11-01 falls ill
  • 2006-11-03 admitted into hospital
  • 2006-11-23 dies
  • 2007-01-26 UK police says they had found a teapot at Millenium Hotel containing extremely high Poloninum-210 traces
  • 2010-12 US leaked cables show that Dmitry Kovtun left "positive traces" of radioactive polonium-210 in Germany before departing for Britain

His 2002 book up Russia: Terror from Within accuses the FSB of setting up false flag bombing operations, and figures on the <>.

.Litvinenko in his death bed. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Litvinenkohospitalbed.webp[height=400]

[[russia-mandatory-registration-of-bloggers]] ==== Mandatory registration of bloggers (2014)

Bloggers with more than 3000 daily readers must register and cannot be anonymous.

The following Chinese policies come to mind:

  • <>
  • <>

=== Putin opposition



  •[Yegor Zhukov]: 2020-08-31 "Yegor Zhukov: Leading Russian opposition blogger beaten up", good photo of swallen face

[[alexei-navalny]] ==== Alexei Navalny (Навальный, Алексей Анатольевич)


Casually barred from the 2018 presidential campaign:


His Wiki page does say one thing of interest though, he has right wing tendencies which scared off liberals:

The BBC noted in a profile of Navalny that his endorsement of a political campaign called "Stop feeding the Caucasus" and his willingness to speak at ultra-nationalist events "have caused concern among liberals".

This video of his might have been added to the <>, wiki:[], coverage: but I can't find where it is in the list exactly.



===== The poisoning of Alexei Navalny (2020)


For more poisonings see: <>.

The second one! The first one was in 2019, but this one is more serious, the German government said tests confirmed it unequivocally that it was Novichok, which was also recently used in <>.

  • 2020-09-05 "Alexei Navalny: Trump refuses to condemn Russia over poisoning" + ____ President Donald Trump has refused to condemn Russia over the poisoning of opposition figure Alexei Navalny, saying he has not seen proof.

He said the case was "tragic" but urged reporters to focus instead on China, which he said was a bigger threat to the world than Russia.

+ Even after Germany and NATO said it was Novichok for sure... He must be <> to have more nukes pointed against China, or maybe with some cyberhacking for the reelection campaign. Perhaps not a bad strategy, but does completely disregard human rights. Do <>? + Pompeo then condemned. + 2020-09-14: laboratories in France and Sweden independently confirmed: * 2020-09-04 good timeline of events so far * 2020-09-02 "Aleksei Navalny Was Poisoned With Novichok, Germany Says". Tests done on a military weapons facility, which the German government said was based on "unequivocal evidence". * 2020-08-24 "Alexei Navalny: Putin critic 'probably poisoned' - doctors"

He was forcibly kept in Russia for a few days to make the poison effect undetectable before they allowed him to be flown to Berlin.

Several policemen prevented family access to him while in Russia.

First doctors told family he was poisoned, but then soon after they changed their minds to some random excuse.

Poison effects consistent with[cholinesterase inhibitors], but the exact substance was not identified in tests.

.Photo published on <>'s Twitter on 2020-09-15 of him sitting awake in a hospital bed in Germany with his family.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Navalnyhospitalsitting.jpg[height=400]

[[khabarovsk-krai-protests-2020]] ==== 2020 Khabarovsk Krai protests (Протесты в Хабаровском крае)


In support to Furgal.

=== Censorship of images in the Soviet Union

.Before/after comparison of picture of Stalin with Nikolai Yezhov at the Moscow Canal. Nikolai was edited out form the second picture. (Credit: Fine Art Images/Heritage Images/Getty Images & AFP/GettyImages)[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/NikolaiYezhovStalincanaledit.webp[height=400]

.A meeting of the St. Petersburg chapter of the Union of Struggle for the Liberation of the Working Class in February 1897, including Lenin and Alexander Malchenko.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Malchenko.jpg[height=500]

.Same as above, but with Alexander Malchenko edited out. link:++[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/No_Malchenko.jpg[height=500]

[[stalin]] === Stalin 斯大林 (1922-1952)

.[Light Yagami] from[Death Note]: "I can kill anyone by simply writing his name here". Stalin: "Bitch please".[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Stalinbitchplease.jpg[height=500]

. "Rasputin vs Stalin." Epic Rap Battles of History YouTube video. This is fire.[Explanations]. video::ZT2z0nrsQ8o[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[russo-ukrainian-war]] === Russo-Ukrainian War (2014-)

  • link:++Російсько-українськавійна(з_2014)++[]

[[mykola-semena]] ==== Mykola Semena (Семена Микола Михайлович)


Ukrainina, worked for <> previously, and published against the annexation of Ukraina territories. suggests that one of her articles was added to the <>, possibly "Blockade–the Necessary First Step for Liberation of Crimea", but I can't find the entry.

[[anti-russia-dictatorship-info-sources]] === Anti Russia dictatorship sources


[[rferl]] ==== Radio Free Europe (Радио_«Свобода»)



USA funded sister media of the <>.

[[thailand]] == Thailand (泰国)

It is a crime to criticize the royal family:


As[Terry Gilliam] brilliantly says in the <>[]:


I was always convinced that there is no where you should't go. There are no[sacred cows]. And if there are, if they are really sacred, let's see how much we puncture them and see if they still float.

Or in other word:

Vajiralongkorn, you little piece of shit, grow some balls and learn how to take an insult. A man who cannot take an insult is not a man, but a big pussy.

Everyone who has political power must know how to be laughed at criticized, otherwise <> follows.

  • 2020-08-24 "After restricting a group critical of Thailand’s monarchy, Facebook says it will take legal action against the government"

[[thai-king-hamtaro]] .Side-by-side comparison between[Thai King Vajiralongkorn] and[Hamtaro]. This is the Thai version of <>. It[has been used by protesters] as part of the[2020 Thai protests]. Left[photo source]. image::{cirosantilli-media-base}/SidebysidecomparisonbetweenThaikingVajiralongkornand_Hamtaro.jpg[height=400]

.Leading Thai politicians prostrate themselves before Vajiralongkorn in 2016, presumably during his ascention to the throne.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Thaikingprostrated_officers.jpg[height=400]

.Suthida Tidjai, Vajiralongkorn's wife, prostrated before him during their marriage in 2016 before he officially ascended to the throne. Yes, prostation is a big thing in Thailand. An older king, Rama V, had apparently even[abolished this practice in 1873]. Clearly, <> could learn a thing or two from a proper monarch like Vajiralongkorn.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Thaikingprostrated_wife.jpg[height=400]

[[falun-gong]] == Falun Gong (法轮功)


<> created in the '80s by a Chinese dude called <>.

With the support of the Communist Party to Qigong movements, it reached 70 million believers in 1999, at which point the commies decided they had to be shut down and banned the religion.

Li fled to the USA and lives near New York, where he continues to run the religion as of 2020.

.<> believer arrested by police in Beijing <> in 2000-01-10.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/FalunGongladysilenced.jpg[height=600]

[[zone-theory]] . Tim and Eric's Zone Theory. If you want to stop <>, don't put them in jail like the <>. Do it the same way you stop dictators: with <>. Otherwise, the dictators remain in power, and <>. video::ClvX7ED8UUI[youtube,width=600,height=400]

[[aarvoll-shenyun]] . YouTubber under pseudonym "Aarvoll" (TODO full real name, face shown in channel all the time) tells about his experience playing trumpet for Shen Yun in 2013 as a non-believer and Falun Gong in general. Reading the sacred books and doing Falun Gong exercises were mandatory. He also talks about <>. Ciro agrees/finds what he says convincing. In one interesting anecdote, he tells how although Li Hongzhi claims to be a God, he looked like an average slightly overweight dude, and had a trumpet since he used to play it, but couldn't really play it because he hadn't practiced in so long. He also comments on the obvious fact that Li does not speak English very well, e.g. on the Shen Yun tour bus he was there one day answering questions, and a translator was needed. video::IAQ14AnAsmU[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[christine-marie]] . Christine Marie, founder of[Voices for Dignity] which takes care of[FLDS] leaves, was interviewed in VICE documentary "Polygamist Mafia: Escaping The Kingston Clan". While Ciro does not believe Falun Gong is as extreme as FLDS, he does really like the things Christine says. E.g., she calls "cult leaders" with the neutral <> form "<>", just like Ciro, and mentions the important fact that "And the another thing that the public doesn't realise, is that there are also beautiful thing within those communities". This is the mindset of <> that the world needs. video::GwoO7Nekmpw[youtube,height=400,width=600,start=445]

[[flg-important]] === Why is it important to talk about Falun Gong?

The main reason <> emphasizes FLG is that it shows how the CCP can mercilessly crush a 70M strong group (according to CCPs own statistics) out of a population of 1.3B in 2000, i.e. 5% of the population, and of course not because of <>, since Ciro is completely and totally unbiased.

If that number is correct, Ciro wonders curious what you would consider an important movement? :-)

Anything much larger would take down the government and change China's history forever.

OK, maybe the fact that 69M of those were likely old ladies didn't help much either. Tip to next <>: make something that appeals to aspiring military officers.

Let's try to gather some well sourced footage showing huge numbers of believers on the streets:

  • AP Archive: could not find a good one there
  • rehashes of Falun Gong propaganda videos with good footage: ** contains old good footage ** Chinese with English subs, above is rehashed from this one most likely

.Thousands of <> practitioners in Guangzhou, China, 1998.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/FalunGong_Ghuangzhou.jpg[height=600]

.Thousands of <> practitioners in Liaoning Industrial Exhibition, China, likely 1998.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/FalunGongLiaoning.jpg[height=600]

.Hundreds of <> believers in Chengdu, China, 1998.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/FalunGongChengdu.jpg[height=500]

[[does-ciro-santilli-believe-in-or-practice-falun-gong]] === Does Ciro Santilli believe in or practice Falun Gong? 三西猴相信法轮功吗?

No, Ciro is and therefore believes that all the metaphysics that <> says is bullshit.

Here are some things that he doesn't like about Falun Gong for example: <>.

Ciro believes Falun Gong can be split into two parts, like any other <>:

  • the "self-help" "how to live well" part, including the physical exercises and meditation, which cannot be proven or disproven, like any other self-help and <>
  • the metaphysics, most notably, Li Hongzhi is a living God, and all other non verifiable things he claims like aliens, alternate dimensions, etc., see: ** <> ** <>

Ciro thinks that FLG's self-help part could potentially be good for you, just like many other meditative practices such as Yoga, Buddhist meditation, Tai chi, deep Catholic prayer, etc. As far as he has heard, all of it sounded good standard religious self-help: be peaceful, be good to others, etc. Like any other well managed religion, FLG does have good things to offer, see also: <>.

However Ciro believes that the metaphysics is all complete and utter bullshit, child stories made up by Li Hongzhi, and just as real as Father Christmas or the[Flying Spaghetti Monster].

Also the "obligation to reach Salvation" is boring like for many other prophetic <>.

From a purely strategic point of view, the metaphysics is a trade-off:

  • some people will believe you are a freaking living God
  • others will laugh at you and say you are a charlatan

It may be argued however that Li played this card beautifully: since all Chinese power is concentrated in the CCP, any non-CCP movement dies out, so he was better off long run playing the metaphysics game. The only other choice would have been joining the CCP.

To Ciro it is obvious that Falun Gong is just one of the many very similar movements that came out of the Qi Gong Boom, such as: <>. It just happens to be the one that survived due to better luck and strategy.

The absolute truth is already known by the <>, although he does not want to give clear evidence for reasons: <>, and Ciro finds that utterly boring. There's no fun in living in a world where the absolute truth has been found.

For these reasons, Ciro cannot bother to read even into the self-help part: how can you read that when there is so much bullshit every other page?

Ciro would really like to know if <> really believes in FLG himself, or is just a complete manipulating charlatan, but unfortunately we will never know that. Just imagine if before he died he published a video saying: "it was a joke, gotcha!". Now that would be epic!

Since Ciro is good-natured, it's hard for him to believe that he doesn't believe in anything, how can anyone be that evil? Maybe he believes in part of it, but made up some stuff to sell it better, maybe with good intentions that selling the fake part would also lead more people to see the good part?

Like any other prophetic religion, FLG gives tiny evidence that you can directly feel through meditation. The energies, which Ciro believe are real feelings. And then using that entry point asks you to believe a whole lot more, that you can't feel: <>.

This becomes especially strong when a critical mass of believers is reached, and then they start interpreting all sorts of events as miracles, and you start to believe other believers without questioning them, and a circle is formed.

This post by a former believer gives what Ciro feels is a realistic account that matches Ciro's observations: <>.

And yet, all those who love freedom, must oppose FLG ban, or be themselves enslaved by tyrants themselves: <>.

In any case, at least FLG got one thing right: the commies are <>, and we have to get rid of them.

See also: <>.

[[how-much-does-ciro-santilli-know-about-falun-gong]] ==== How much does Ciro Santilli know about Falun Gong? 三西猴对法轮功有多熟悉?

He hasn't read their <> himself, no patience, but he has had <> and so has an idea of its content.

Ciro has summarized his thoughts about <> at: <> and <>

[[flg-religion]] === Is Falun Gong a religion? 法轮功是一个宗教吗?

If asked if they follow a religion, most FLG believers will say "no", and <> explicitly says that in <>, e.g.[]:

Falun Dafa is not a religion, but future generations will regard it as one.

E.g. they call themselves "practitioners" or "students" (学员) or "disciples of the Great Law" (大法弟子, or mare accurately, of <>'s Law) instead of "believers", and their peers "practitioner colleagues" (同修[同修]).

And if you say you don't believe in their FLG metaphysics bullshit, they will often reply "he does not understand".

To them, it is not about belief, the truth is clear, and you just don't see it yet.

To this you should reply: "and you don't understand that <> is a master manipulator dude who deceived you and millions of others".

But <> strongly believes that this is just a language barrier/FLG propaganda question (see also "Different levels of truth" from <>), and that 99.9999% of people in the West would classify FLG as a religion just like <> if they are told about FLG's beliefs:

  • absolute truth comes from an enlightened <>, who is perfect and has superhuman abilities
  • weekly in-person meetings (学法 "study the Fa", or more verbosely "study the law (of the universe (of <>))")or daily online meetings where they read from a <>, either written by the prophet, or transcribed from his presentations to disciples, including the disciples questions, much like traditional Chinese texts like link:[The Analects of Confucius], just like Christians read from the Bible over and over again. + In both cases, some believers claim that sometimes even reading the same text again gives them new insight.
  • prescribed daily meditation exercise hours, somewhat like Muslim[Salah] prayers which they call[发正念 (fa1 zheng4 nian4)], which means "send righteous thoughts". They seem to believe that this meditation helps external good magic things happen, so it is half meditation half prayer.
  • longer "less mandatory" exercises (lian4 gong1, 练功) followed by a meditation (打坐) and which they collectively call修道(道教)[修炼] "practice austerities". note that this term is borrowed from Taoism but possibly with different precise meaning. There are exactly 5 exercises (meditation being the fifth) some with a fun supernatural name, on <>[] "The Falun Gong Practice System": ** Buddha Stretching a Thousand Arms ** Falun Standing Stance ** Penetrating the Cosmic Extremes ** Falun Cosmic Orbit
  • higher intelligent beings
  • some believers who practice really well can also get some "supernatural powers" (功能), but not everyone develops them (luckily only so many people are that manipulable!), and you are <> of course, from <>[]: + [[flg-supernatural-powers]] ___ What will one develop in the course of his cultivation? He will develop supernatural powers which are called supernormal capabilities for short.

Do you want to use them among ordinary people? You are absolutely not allowed to use them among ordinary people at will.

+ See also "You don't get the promised goodies" from <> ** other dimensions, which some select people with vision superpowers can see, this being one of the supernatural powers that may be developed, the "Celestial Eye"[]: + [[flg-cross-dimensional-vision]]

A cultivator of a particular attainment level can only see the scenes on that level. He cannot see or believe the truth beyond that level. Therefore, he only believes what he has seen on his own level. When he has not gone up to such a high level of cultivation, he would think those things do not exist and are incredible.

+ and the "Supernormal Capability of Remote Sight" is a closely related ability: +

A supernormal capability directly connected with the Celestial Eye is called the Remote Sight. Someone says that he can see scenes in Beijing, in America or scenes on the other side of the earth while sitting here.

+ And finally there is also the past-future vision ability "Supernormal Capability of Total Recall"[]: +

There is another supernormal capability which has a direct relation with the Celestial Eye. It is called Total Recall. Now there are six supernormal capabilities which are generally recognized in the world. They include the Celestial Eye, Remote Sight, and Total Recall. What is Total Recall? It is a supernormal capability with which one can know a person's future and past; if the ability is great, one can know the rise and decline of a society; if the ability is even greater, one can see the Law of the change of the whole celestial body.

  • aliens that look like humans are amongst us, they gave us part of our modern technology, some are evil, others not so evil. E.g.[]: + ____ Science, however, is not something gods imparted to humans. Instead, it was passed down to humans by alien beings inside the Three Realms, and for the purpose of controlling humankind. People's belief in it has surpassed everything. But I tell you that precisely because of its shallowness, this science has caused the degeneration of morality in human society. ____ + Despite this however, Falun Gong benefits from information technology enormously. For example, many believers use the Internet daily to study the Fa, and to organize their <>.
  • meetings in which people tell their religious testimonies ("experience sharing" TODO Chinese name, possibly just "分享修炼的美好", e.g.分享修炼的美好-印尼召开修炼心得交流会(图)-316838.html[source]): + As Jesus put it in Matthew 18:20: + ____ For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them ____ + which highlights the critical believer mass effect of reinforced beliefs.
  • an impending link:[final judgment]-like event, which will happen "very soon" (<>), and in which the just will be rewarded + Ciro predict that when <> dies, the claim will be that he went to another dimension so save us all, therefore putting this final judgment on hold, a bit like Jesus.
  • non-believers are fundamentally different from believers. Although non-followers who do good things are actually doing FLG without knowing it. + FLG has a specific terminology for non-believers, which is translated in English as"ordinary people", as opposed to Falun Gong Believers, which Li calls Falun Gong disciples (大法弟子). + Non-FLG people should therefore logically call Falun Gong believers people in return, much like Ciro likes to call the Chinese who call him 老外 as "老内". + Like other aspects of FLG however, this appears in other religions, e.g. my mother mentioned the funny term used by her Protestant's group term but Ciro forgot it, and you can see it in Harry Potter as well:[The Muggles].
  • xref:flg-organized[You can support FLG by doing X and Y, it is not mandatory, but why wouldn't you since you are saving other people?]. Explaining that Falun Gong is good contrary to CCP propaganda also known as "Fa-rectification" in the English translation jargon.
  • alternate dimensions
  • pre-civilization: civilization is actually much older than what we believe, and was supe radvanced, but[societal collapse] events led us to forget about it, a bit like[atlantis]. + Notably, this also implies that the[theory of evolution] is wrong, since there existed modern humans hundred of millions of years ago (the current scientific estimates for anatomically modern humans is[500,000 years]): + ____ Archaeologists have found in the world a kind of organism called "three-leaves insect", which came into being between 600 million and 260 million years ago, and became extinct thereafter. An American scientist found a fossil of "three-leaves insect", on which there was also a human footprint, left by a shoe he was wearing, and clearly printed on the fossil. Aren't they joking with the historians? How could there possibly have been human beings 260 million years ago according to Darwin's theory of evolution? ____
  • xref:flg-medication[Maybe FLG will make you healthier, but no promises, but it will make you a better person, and that's why you should do it, but if you really really believe, you get healthier]. But people who seemed to be believers also die, because deep within their hearts, there was a belief problem.
  • <>, not figuratively, but literally as in they are representatives of, or evil supernatural beings themselves. E.g. <> is actually an evil frog in some alternate dimension, literally, not just memecally. The Chinese Government is literally responsible for creating <>. They give the CCP too much credit. The CCP are just a bunch of lazy and greedy people like you and me.

From this, it is obvious that Falun Gong is just a Age[syncretic] religion combining[Qigong],[Buddhism], some aspects of <>, and whatever other crazy things <> believes in.

Or you could call Falun Gong a <>, which is nothing but a new/small religion with negative connotation, and thus meaningless.

FLG is very similar to Scientology in Ciro's view: a new religion that mixes elements of both old and new. And just like any other religion, <>.

But consider this: how to classify what a religion is?

Some would answer: science is what every one can perceive with their own senses.

But FLG followers claim to feel FLG energies when doing the exercises, and a few of them have the power of seeing the other dimensions.

On the other hand, how many of your friends have experienced the laws of quantum field theory or general relativity in a very direct way?

And aren't pro-democracy believers also taking actions based solely on a shared belief, possibly organized by a pro-democracy leader?

From a purely strategic point of view, the "religion" denomination would be:

  • good to FLG because the concept of freedom of religion carries considerable weight in the West
  • bad for FLG because people who already have a religion would be less likely to try it out and start believing + Falun Gong's recruitment strategy is to focus on the exercises first, and in particular its <> and then as some people start to feel things, they start introducing the metaphysics.

See also: "Different levels of truth" from <>.

See also: <>.

==== Falun Gong preaching

link:[Street preaching] is an important aspect of Falun Gong, using stands and leaflets on the streets much like'sWitnesses[Jehovah's Witnesses].


  •[讲真相]: "truth-telling"
  • hongfa (TODO characters?)

The Falun Gong organization also specifies guidelines on how to preach, although these might not be <>, even though if they are not, it is extremely likely that <> is directly involved in their specification

Falun Gong has also used <>.

All of this is part of their effort to "save people (救人)", i.e. convert them to Falun Gong.

<> personally heavily emphasices the importance of preaching in <>.

.Falun Gong believers preaching on the street in London in 2016. This image taken from a believer website shows a typical local regular gathering of believers on weekends, or even week days if there are enough retired believers in the group. They will put on their exercise music, and do exercises to attract more followers. Someone will also stand on their stall giving out propaganda flyers, or asking people to sign petitions for Western governemnts to support Falun Gong, e.g. opposing their alledged <>. In the case of touristic areas with Chinese people walking around, they will also ask the Chinese tourists to <>. <> has to say: it is very amuzing to see those Chinese pepole trying to pretend to ignore the censored religion, when some of them are clearly curious about it, especially the younger ones who didn't see it live. Some just get mad, and say how the CCP is so great to them.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/FalunGongstreetpreaching2016_London.jpg[height=400]

[[flg-telemarketing]] ===== Some Falun Gong people make phone telemarketing

Ciro Santilli has seen Falun Gong people making phone calls to people in China with to explain why FLG is with his own eyes, and therefore is sure it has happened on some scale.

Particularly during <>, Falun Gong ramped up the telemarketing calls and some voluntary believers were making calls all day nonstop.

Ciro does not know how the called numbers were obtained and if callees voluntarily signed up for it, but that feels extremely unlikely.

Interestingly however, many of the callees seemed interesting in what they had to say, and they often had long chats, Ciro was surprised by that. Maybe they were just bored senseless due to the Corona lockdown. Or maybe <> and the CCP is fucked.

Also, of course, the callers received call scripts and guidelines to makes those calls, because obviously <>.

Ciro strongly disapproves of this, Just like for any product, visual ads on the street are impossible to prevent, but any kind of advertising that generates notifications on feeds, or takes people's time, is unacceptable.

As you can easily find on <>/<>, such calls may be reported in the <>.

Ciro has not however seen them talking about making automated phone calls. also mentions that Falun Gong makes telemarketing in passing without any reference.

[[flg-cult]] ==== Is Falun Gong a cult? 法轮功是邪教吗?

Falun Gong does share many many many characteristics with what many people classify as a "cult", see e.g.: <>, so "yes" could be a reasonably answer.

However, <> strongly believes that so does any other existing religion e.g. <>, and that Falun Gong is not any worse or better than those other well known religions.

Ciro therefore believes that the only reasonable stances are to either:

  • be against all religions (including Christianity and Falun Gong), and classify all of them as Cults
  • allow both Christianity and Falun Gong to exist, and support religious freedom

but not "oppose Falun Gong" and support Christianity.

Some people will say: Falun Gong is a cult because it is too new and therefore obviously fake!

So, if I tell a lie today, will it become true in a thousand years? Or a truth today become a lie? The Romans called <> the "Cult of Jesus"!

Try sending an email to <> asking him to <> :-)

Others will say: Falun Gong is a cult because its prophet is still alive!

But then, worry not, because Li Hongzhi was born in 1951, and therefore will almost certainly die by 2040, unless he truly is a living God as he claims.

Now, for the really important question of weather Falun Gong is a "good" or "bad" religion, <> has seen absolutely nothing in it that is worse than any <> say, e.g., <>.

Some possibly neutral Cult analysts analyzing if FLG is good or bad:




In the end however, since there is nothing obviously completely creepy about FLG, all such discussions are basically equivalent to <>, and cannot be answered.

One interesting linguistic aspect is that "cult" normally translates in Chinese as "邪教" which means "Evil religion".

As mentioned before, Ciro does not believe that FLG is an "Evil Cult", just another "Acceptable Cult", and therefore would not use "邪教" to describe it.

Amusingly, <> calls the communists Communist Evil Party (中共邪党) in cannon, well played:

The word "Cult" is much more ambiguous in the West however, and does not necessarily imply "Evil" in certain contexts, just "worship".

For example, People from <>'s mother's Protestant Church in Brazil, all say that they are going "to the cult" when referring to when they are going to church to pray, sing and read the Bible together.

And obviously, the origin of the word "cult" is exactly the same as that of["cultivate"] as in "cultivate the crops" (which is also how Falun Gong believers refer to practicing Falun Gong: "cultivation practice"). All of those come from the[Latin "colō"], which means simply "to protect".

===== CCP cult

The CCP also has many cult-like characteristics, notably <>, which is mentioned on <> itself under "The Guru is always right." (highlight by <>):

The Guru, his church, and his teachings are always right, and above criticism, and beyond reproach.

In some cults, the guru is dead, but the principle is the same. I use the word "guru" loosely here; in many cults the charismatic leader has the title of minister, priest, yogi, swami, prophet, or all-knowing wise man. Or even, "<>." In any case, the leader is always right.

And they also claim that[Alcoholics Anonymous] could be characterized as a cult. Very cool. What else could be powerful enough to get you off a physical addiction, than a mental addiction, right?

<> is the Father + <> is the Son + The CCP is the Holy Spirit

Both Mao and Xi have produced their own sacred books which must be revered, much like <>'s <>:

  • Xi's: <>
  • Mao's: <>

Furthermore, both of those books are based on speeches, just like just like Li Hongzhi's speeches become instant canon.

This devotion can also be seen in Xi's benevoltent personification: <>.

See also:

  • <>

[[xi-halo]] .Xi Jinping with a Halo to make <>. Reads <>. Watermark reads "Gucci Minh @Laborwave", so presumably from[], but I didn't have the patience to find the picture, but it very likey comes from there, a ton of great communist memes in that account.[Source]. image:[height=400]

===== Orange Papers

Amazing website talking about Cults and many other things!

Down as of 2020-04 archive:

  • 2016 archive of the Cult Test, which is the key page of the website:
  • latest working homepage archive from 2017:

TODO who is the author? Copyright says by "A. Orange". Is it the real name, or just a pun for "I ate an orange"? mentions the creator's first name is "Terry", and that the website went down due to financial trouble.

Claimed interview with him on the 2013 SAFE RECOVERY podcast:

The website also offered compressed archives, but those were not on Wayback Machine (it is harder because there are many different timestamps available):

Get this entire web site in a set of compressed packages so that you can read it later offline (and burn CDs and give copies to friends).

Archives are available in both Unix/Linux tarred-gzipped format, or Micro$uck Windoze winzip format.

Current as of 2016-12-07 (yyyy-mm-dd).

Total Size = 900 MB compressed (1.7 GB uncompressed), but no file is larger than 14 MB, to prevent file size problems with some systems, like Comcast.

Get either set; you don't need both, as the files contained are identical.

File names are of form:

  • Orange_Papers-alpha-2016-12-07.tar.gz
  • Orange_Papers-imgs000-2011-01-01.tar.gz

A mirror with many broken links and images:

And the website also has a Free Tibet flag at the bottom.

Many of the points highlighted at are very very interesting and Ciro feels that they apply strongly to <>:

  • "Instant Community" and "Instant intimacy": you instantly join the cult family, and are very very likely to believe or at least consider anything anyone else in the cult says about their religious experiences, no matter how far-fetched, even though it is not <> + Conversely, this also poses a risk for the Cult Leader, as new community ideas can spread very quickly, and if you try to fight them off, they might create a[Schism].
  • "Cult-speak": see also "Newspeak" from <> and some common Falun Gong Cult-speak see: <>
  • "Denigration of competing sects, cults, religions, groups, or organizations": yes, <> does this all the time, see: <>
  • "Personal testimonies of earlier converts": see "experience sharing" at <>
  • "The group and its members are special", "Enemy-making and Devaluing the Outsider": see: "ordinary people (常人)" at <>
  • "Making cult members work long hours for free": yes, many FLG members work long long hours for free. Why wouldn't you if you are saving people's souls?
  • "No Humor": see also <>
  • "Different Levels of Truth", "Deceptive Recruiting": Falun Gong people don't talk freely about their funny beliefs like <> to outsiders. Rather, they lure you in with the exercises first. Ciro has personally heard the following said many times: "you should not tell this to non-believers, they are not ready for this truth yet".
  • "Front groups, masquerading recruiters, hidden promoters, and disguised propagandists": <>
  • "Promised Powers or Knowledge" and "It's a con. You don't get the promised goodies": they seem to believe in a <> and <>
  • "The Guru is always right", "You are always wrong", "No Graduates", "The Guru Is Extra-Special", "Everybody else needs the guru to boss him around, but nobody bosses the guru around", "The guru criticizes everybody else, but nobody criticizes the guru.": obviously: <> ** "Group-think, Suppression of Dissent, and Enforced Conformity in Thinking"

There are also however some points which Ciro feels don't apply, and Ciro praises Falun Gong for those:

  • "Dual Purposes": not much of that, most of their propaganda is "we are persecuted unfairly by China", not "let's help the poor"
  • "The End Justifies The Means": Li has made it clear that believers must follow the laws of their countries. Cults that violate this tend to not last as long, this is the smart move for cult leaders.

And some points which Ciro feels apply which were mentioned in some other article, (or maybe in Orange Papers but he couldn't find them, TODO find reference?)

  • "No time for fun": how could you possibly spend leisure time watching television, etc. when you could be saving the world instead?
  • "Focus on the persecution of the Cult": while obviously people who have been persecuted have the right, and almost an obligation, to look for help and share their stories, it is also clear that this is a selling point for the Cult. + Why would a nation state attack a Cult? This could give the impression that it is because there is something powerful and true in the Cult, and actually menaces this nation state. + For example, Falun Gong puts huge emphasis on its persecution in China, much like the[Martyrdom] of the Catholic Saints is highly emphasised.
  • "Careful control of your imsage": the cult leader is a master at controlling how people view him. + One aspect of that, is to limit your public appearances to situations in which you have the most control, and notably being surrounded by your believers. + Li does not announce where he is going, even though he is followed by millions: he just shows up, and local believers whisper to one another and come to see him. + This reminded Ciro of the following 2012 video he watched, in which VICE was allowed to visit and interview <> prophet, and they note how well he controlled his appearance. + [[vissarion]] . video::W2Cv5hZfOmk[youtube,height=400,width=600,start=1177]

This is especially interesting, because the website does not mention Falun Gong at all it seems: it really seems that all those cults are very similar.

It should also be mentioned though that these points extend to any type of human organization, e.g. <>, <>, job associations, etc.

[[flg-canon]] === What are the canonical Falun Gong texts?

It appears that Falun Gong cannon is present at:

The two main books are:

  • "China Falun Gong" (中国法轮功) AKA just "Falun Gong" published in April 1993. 2006 English translation[]. Wikipedia comments: + ___ Falun Gong is an introductory book that discusses qigong, introduces the principles of the practice, and provides illustrations and explanations of the exercises. ____ + The first edition contains one of
  •,themainbookZhuan Falun, published in January 1995. 1998 English version:[]: + According to Wikipedia: + ____ Zhuan Falun is the main teaching and the most comprehensive work; it is an edited version of Li's nine-lecture series, 54 of which he taught across China between 1992 and 1994. ____ + Believers very often read from this text when they <> in their gatherings. They often read one chapter per session, and can often just say "we read the Nth teaching" (第N讲, so apparently each chapter corresponds to a separate talk). Just like <>!

The initial versions of both of those texts contained versions of <>.

It contains <>'s approved texts/speech transcriptions, which are sacred.

The only sacred version is Chinese which is a sacred language, and of which there is only one perfect revision. Islam also appears to place great importance on the sacredness of Arabic in which Mohamed first spoke, perhaps even more: Protestants and later the Catholic church, have moved away from such really bad strategy however, the accessibility of Christianity is seen on the entrance of many many churches which have a sign "ALL are welcome". Well played.

<> heard <> claims the specifically chose to reincarnate in China this last time.

The English translation is made by followers, and gets new revisions to reduce translation imperfections.

However, the Chinese language seems to be fundamentally sacred, and there might never be a sacred English version approved by LHZ.

LHZ is of course a de-facto God with superpowers, and can of course speak all languages, but[for reasons] he didn't just write an English translation himself.

This is a reasonable command to download the English cannon for grepping:

.... wget -r -l inf --no-remove-listing --no-clobber --no-parent -w 2 ....

TODO: need to find a way to wrap lines, otherwise grep might fail on sentences.

But funnily the Canon books appear to all be copyrighted, likely "to avoid other people from modifying his sacred text", which is funny since the dude's the voice of absolute truth of the universe, but you still gotta copyright that I guess.

Nothing else is canonical. LHZ seems to have said that there are enlightened followers, but has not specified who, so we can't derive canon from anyone else.

Notably, <> such as is believer led and thus not canonical, even though believers have very high confidence in it, and LHZ <>.

CCP <> such as <> and <> have also published their own canon books, e.g.:

  • Xi's: <>
  • Mao's: <>

.Front and back cover of <>, first edition (1994). It is said amongst believers that <>.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Zhuan_Falun.jpg[height=400]

=== Does Ciro Santilli support FLG, or just use it because it is censored?

Ciro Santilli doesn't support FLG specifically, only freedom of religion. See of course: <>.

Ciro uses it in his usernames simply because it is the most banned and censored one in China today.

He believe that <>.

He considers FLG <>, and he is against its ban, as that of all other religions.

He also believes that freedom of speech and democracy imply that FLG and other religions will exist. If you want freedom, you have to <>.

Otherwise, <>, and banned.

See also: <>.

[[flg-daily]] === How is it like to live with Falun Gong believers?

This will obviously vary from believer to believer, but here is my experience.

Like any other religion that is taken seriously, they spend several hours per week doing their standard religious activities: <>.

I never seen them, or anyone we know from FLG say or do something that I consider morally incorrect because of FLG.

This does not prevent <> from working normally.

My mother-in-law, who is retired, dedicates all her time to Falun Gong when she is not taking care of the house.

My mother is also religious (link:[Protestant]), and I get a very similar feeling about both groups.

Like other religions, Falun Gong gives them meaning in life, and I admire that they pursue their belief energetically.

I much prefer that my mother-in-law does Falun Gong, which is a noble meaningful goal, rather than watch stupid crap on television.

Also, although I am <>, I also live in a similar way.

My religion is that of science and technology, and I pursue it fervently by trying to learn and teach it and spend several hours a week doing that, even when it does not give me money immediately.

If I pursue my meaning, why should I prevent anyone from pursuing theirs?

Previously, my wife and mother-in-law would sometimes try to persuade me to learn FLG, which was annoying.

But every time I told them very clearly that I know where to download the books if I want to, and that I may never want to read them, and that my wife must either accept this fact or leave me.

And they have accepted that: they think I'm a good person, and they can accept that you can also be a good person even without doing FLG.

I do feel Falun Gong makes my mother-in-law more reluctant to use or actively search for <>. But I think it is also linked to the fact that she didn't have a very good education or a good health system around. However, if we give her something, she will take it. My wife does not have any resistance to medication.

One thing that does worry me is that my mother in law sleeps too little every night, doing one of the Falun Gong meditations late in the evening, and then waking up very early to a long series of reading and exercise sessions.


  • at <>

=== In the Tweet about his mother in law, Ciro Santilli says "correctional facility", but reeducation through labour has been abolished

He was not very precise[here], the precise term is "jail". He was not talking about: Unfortunately it is not possible to edit a Tweet.

[[flg-changed]] === Falun Gong is completely different in the West than it was in China

I believe that it has changed.

But isn't that the case of every cultural religious movement that migrates to a completely new culture?

Main points which may have changed:

  • It has become more organized. + But why shouldn't they organize to defend themselves now that they have the chance without being put into prison? + The CCP is highly organized and has way more resources.
  • Less emphasis is given to the religious/mystical aspect, and more to the corporal exercises, and health aspect. + This may be because people in the "West" are: + ** are "scientific-educated" atheists who wouldn't go for a "religion" ** already have other religions, which would view FLG as a taboo

Also maybe only the richest and most educated believers managed to escape China, and thus the movement carried that bias outside China.

If you know more ways in which it may have changed, let me know.

But once again, we can know nothing for sure about the past in China because of censorship.

Even if you saw something yourself, how can you be sure that it is representative?

And if it has changed, now that it has changed, maybe China should unban it?

See also:

  • at <>

=== FLG has been funded by the US government at least once, therefore it is evil

1.5M USD in 2010 for a FLG controlled internet freedom group

But well, if you are going to do something anyway, and someone offers you money, why wouldn't you take it?

Taking the money does of course give a "bad impression" that someone is trying to buy influence, but does it in itself imply that you are doing something bad?

But do you really think that the US government paid that to buy influence in FLG? What would they force upon that FLG group that they didn't already want to do? Isn't it more likely that the US government wanted them to continue doing exactly what they were doing?

Every government funds groups it supports, it is an all out war I suppose. Compare that to the propaganda funds of the CCP.

What about the funding of political campaigns, which vastly outnumbers 1.5M USD every year?

[[follow-the-law]] === FLG is illegal in China, we must follow the law

This might be a bad law that should be changed.

It was perfectly legal for <> to kill Jews. Does it make that right?

But many times, the commies don't even bother passing a law, they just fuck people anyways without one: <>.

[[flg-fake]] === FLG is fake 法轮功是假的

The same can be argued about any other religion or political belief of type: it is better if we organize society in this or that way.

How can you disprove their belief, when as in any other religion, every affirmation made hinges on "miracles only happen around when true believers are around" or "only true believers can perceive evidence in their hearts / minds directly". He died of cancer or <>? Not a true believer, deep withing his heart, something was wrong.

Conversely, do you understand the full sequence of experiments that imply quantum field theory? Have you seen videos of those experiments? Have you attended live demonstrations? Do you understand the construction of the experimentation apparatus? Yet, why do you believe it?

More importantly: what do you propose that should be done about it? Should we kill followers? Or is jail enough?

Also do let me know when you have achieved irrefutable proof that democracy/freedom of speech are the optimal ways to organize the government: <>.

See also: <>

[[flg-verifiable]] ==== FLG never makes any predictions that can be reasonably verified by non-believers

Exactly, just like any other <>, this is why <> is <> and things Falun Gong metaphysics is bullshit.

Notably, <> explicitly forbids display of magical powers gained by believers to non-believers: <> for "reasons". What a convenient coincidence, that prevents any verifiability!

The closest claims to observable Ciro has heard are:

  • when pictures are taken in sacred events, notably <>, sometimes you can see magic Falun energy wheels in the pictures
  • in the homes of some followers, small magic good plants-like fungi-like things have grown + [[flg-fungi]] .Image of the magic good small plants that grew on a <> believer's home. They took a photo and it published on <> as a 2018 Chinese New Year good wish page to <>. If any biologist reads this, for the love of God send me a Wikipedia page with the possible species. TODO transcribe the Chinese.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/FalunGongmagic_fungi.jpg[height=400]
  • the <> of some believers had a closed lotus flower when they were bought, and after several years, the flower opened

but Ciro suspects they are not even <>, just believer oral culture.

Of course, like every other religion, reality happens to be is constructed in a way that prevents non-believers to verify anything with their eyes in a reproducible way.

Or a Jesus put it in[Luke 4]:


Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.

"If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written:

“'He will command his angels concerning you,

and they will lift you up in their hands,

so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'"

Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'"

Ah good old <>, their tricks haven't changed a bit in 2 thousand years! This is why <> follows instead the religion of <>, because those religions instead say:

Test your God. Test your God a billion times. And if your God proves wrong just once, disbelieve it.

The Pontius Pilate Scene from[The Last Temptation of Christ (1988)] comes to mind, quotes:

Pontius: It's also said that you do miracles? Is this good magic or bad magic? Can we have some sort of demonstration?

Jesus: No, I'm not a trained animal, I'm not a magician.

Pontius: Well, that's disappointing. This means that you are just another Jewish politician.


Pontius: It's one way to change the way that people live, but you want to change the way that they think and that they feel.

Jesus: All I'm saying is the change will happen with love. Not with killing.

Pontius: Either way it's dangerous. It's against Rome. It's against the way the world is. In killing or loving, it's all the same. It simply doesn't matter how you want to change things, we don't want them changed.

. The Last Temptation of Christ (1988) - Pontius Pilate Scene (5/10) | Movieclips. video::pXGsio9H1xs[youtube,height=400,width=600][Futurama] also has an interesting take:

.[Bender] meets God in Futurama S03E20 "link:[Godfellas]". In their talk, they comment on how "if as God you give them everything, they will grow dependent on you, and if you give them nothing, they will despise you". And so the best approach as a God might be "to influence things as if you weren't there". video::ObbVO3A3BvA[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[against-censorship-and-flg]] === Many people both are against censorship and FLG

Ciro know that, and that supporting FLG is "bad" for his public image with most Chinese, including those that are against censorship.

But <>, and with democracy FLG followers will have voting rights, and FLG will become legal.

Ciro thinks that the situation is very similar to <> in the USA today: most people dislike it, but believe that you can believe whatever you want.

Democracy and Communism <>.

Isn't it convenient when a dictatorship gets rid of those weirdos for you? But not so much when suddenly you or your family is the weirdo...

If you are not ready to accept the beliefs of others, dictatorship is the only choice for you.

It is also interesting to note how Falun Gong is a good source of <> material.

See also: <>

[[democracy-is-a-religion]] ==== Why does Ciro Santilli say that democracy is a religion just like Falun Gong?

Because it also specifies irrational and fundamental aspects of how one should live, notably voting and freedom of speech.

Just like the <> has one fundamental belief: <>.

Ban <>, and you have banned democracy.

Accept democracy, and you will have <>.

There is no in-between.

[[flg-stability]] ==== Falun Gong had to be banned because it was a threat to the stability of the country

Then they link to the Taping Rebellion:


Of course FLG was a threat to the stability of the country.

It is, as <> has said, a highly organized political power: <>.

However, <> is a threat to the stability country in the exact same way:


Anything that goes against a dictatorship is a threat to the stability of the country.

Now read: <>

=== Many people say they do FLG only to get VISAs to the USA

<> heard this a few times, and I believe it has happened.

But I don't see how this is relevant at all to this discussion:

  • if they are not really FLG believers, they should be prosecuted, but this says nothing about the real FLG believers,
  • if they are, then why wouldn't they seek a VISA, since they are in constant threat of going to jail or worse in China, and the USA law gives them that right?

Sample news:


[[flg-witness]] === I have personally seen people do bad things because of Falun Gong

Either direct suicide or <>.

First, I'm not saying I don't believe you, and I'm sorry about what happened.

But your testimony is worthless unless you give the following:

  • clear unique personal identification + This is because the CCP has thousands of <> who could make fake reports. + There are basically two ways to do that: + . your testimony is done in video form on YouTube clearly showing your face as you make it . links between a notable social media presence that is hard to achieve, e.g. Twitter with many followers, Stack overflow with a lot of rep, and the account + Either of those must contain / link to information that uniquely identifies you. Generally, full name, city and date of birth is enough.
  • a precise testimony that states exactly what you saw happen with your own eyes, or heard from people that are very close to you. + The testimony must include: + -- ** when the events happened ** where they happened, in which city at the very least ** the full names of who did what -- + This is to: + ** make it easier to verify the truth of the event ** uniquely identify the event so we don't count a single event multiple times

If you do provide all of the above, I add your report to a list of reports that I will maintain. This list does not exist yet because there were no valid reports yet.

Next consider this:

  • are you sure that Falun Gong made the person do the bad thing, and that the person wouldn't have done it anyway? + Did someone from Falun Gong told the person to do it? + I bet that if you look into patients of psychiatrists, you will find more suicides than average. So should we ban psychiatry?
  • are you sure that the order came from <>, and that it was not just some disgruntled local leader using Falun Gong for his personal madness and doing things he did not approve? + Branch Davidians were inspired by <>. So should we ban Christianity? What about the majority of Christians who have never done anything bad?
  • only statistics have any meaning, and it would require a very large number of reports to make up statistics, so you will likely be wasting your time. I will do my part and maintain a list however.
  • if we ask for FLG believers to compile a list of horrors they have suffered, which they have already been doing since the start of the persecution, I bet that their list will be much longer than yours, because they are so <>

[[flg-persecution]] === FLG does not have proof of their persecution claims

How much proof do you think they would be able to get when there is no freedom of the press?

Do you think that forbidding a <> person religion could have gone smoothly?

Do you think the thousands of personal accounts of human rights violations that exist are all fake, and don't indicate that many, many more have taken place but fallen under censorship?

Conversely, there is no reliable proof that FLG is bad as claimed by CCP that has been verified by international media.

[[thoughtcrime]] === Someone from movement X did something bad, therefore the movement should be banned

By this logic, everyone should go to jail. The law should only punish individuals.

The communist party, which has had continuous power since 1949, killed millions during the <>. Surely they must be banned, no?

But the CCP has changed so much since those days, I hear you say.

I agree. And <>.

See also: "thoughtcrime" from <>.

Or if you like shitty movies:[Minority Report (2002)].

==== Movement X tells people to do something bad, therefore the movement should be banned

E.g. kill.

Yes, convincing someone to do something bad is as bad as doing it yourself of course, and must be forbidden.

Now proceed to prove that FLG made and will continue making people do bad things, going through:

  • <>
  • <>

[[flg-political]] === People from movement X are only in it for political power

For every desire of the masses, there will be amoral representatives that will step to use that power.

Still, those representatives cannot gain power if there is no backing desire from society.

The only advantage of <>, is that those representatives have to pretend harder to do things for that group to retain their power.

Falun Gong believers obviously have the right to do politics, just like any other person, and Ciro greatly encourages this.

But Ciro does not like that Falun Gong tends to not call itself a political force, when it clearly is. But full disclosure is not a legal obligation, and many many media outlets don't really disclose their obvious political connections. See also: <>.

Falun Gong directly contacts Government officials,[demonstrates in front of government buildings] and <>, how can that not be politics?!?! Just call it for what it is, and no one will be able to criticize you for it!

<> directly says that FLG should not be involved in politics in <>, e.g.[]:

Never get involved in politics, nor interfere with state affairs.

But at the same, he also greatly encourages <>, which obviously a political influence method.

. Ciro really liked what[Doctor Matthew N. Schmalz] said on this VICE documentary about[Hyung Jin Moon]'s and his[Unification movement] ("the Moonies" split-off religion. "I think that any new religion needs a constituency. And especially for a group that is new, that is relatively small, making connections with other groups that might have similar commitments is something that can be quite productive if you are a leader of a new religion". As long as everyone plays the democracy game through democracy rules, peace tends to be maintained, and it is easier for multiple different beliefs to coexist. Falun Gong has obviously gone in this political direction, and that is a positive sign about the religion. video::ArfGyo6HQ_E[youtube,height=400,width=600,t=1175]

[[flg-trump]] ==== FLG supports Donald Trump 法轮功支持特朗普

<> believes he has heard praises to Trump directly in <>'s speeches, but could not find a source.

Also, the <> has donated to Trump propaganda: $1.5 million

But of course, so long as those respect the laws of the country, they are free to do it and must not be interfered. As if other major American media didn't have political agendas.

It is therefore extremely likely that 99.999% of Falun Gong believers also support Trump.

This is exactly the same, in fact, as <> which always gather behind "the right".

In the case of the Falun Gong however, Trump has been vocal about China's threat, and therefore is a much needed ally of the movement.

Trump's immigration policies have turned Asian Americans towards the democrat opposition however as of 2019:

One saving point of the republicans for Asians is the opposition to university quotas instance, which many Asians feel blocks their high performing kids from top schools for less deserving Black students. This also plays into possible cross Asian-Black racism tensions.

=== Western media has exaggerated reports on FLG for propaganda reasons

Possibly true, but which reports are you talking about specifically?

All that I care about is:

  • it is censored today
  • if you do it you go to jail
  • there were tens of millions of followers at the time of the ban

which I think are undeniable.

The only question that matters is: should it be banned or not?

=== Does Ciro Santilli believe in the allegations of human rights violations done to Falun Gong believers?

Besides the obvious prohibition of their most fundamental belief, so e.g. being tortured.

Let's just focus on the evidence:

  • "Undercover video reveals brutal treatment of Falun Gong prisoners inside Chinese labor camps" by "FOX 11 Los Angeles" published May 21, 2019. Names mentioned: Fuquan Yin,

[[flg-organ-harvesting]] ==== Does Ciro Santilli believe in the allegations of organ harvesting made by Falun Gong believers?

In short: Ciro believes that it has happened to many people.

Long version follows.

It is obviously very hard to prove and quantify it definitely, much like it was hard to prove the Holocaust: bodies were cremated, and bribes were paid.

Even if we had a video showing the whole process, showing the whole money flow from the donor to the prison guard, it would still be hard to quantify it, so I do have some room for doubt in this opinion.

But consider the following, which is based on what Ciro has heard.

Even Chinese officials have admitted that in the past, if the body of the executed person is not claimed by family, then the organs can be extracted even without the consent of the prisoner:


Perhaps now that they claim that there is a large voluntary organ donor database, then this has stopped or been reduced, but let's focus on that period when the extractions were widely done.

From this, even though China does not publish execution statistics, we can imagine that a large part of the organs come from prisoners sentenced to death.

Then, consider that a <> person religion was banned, leading to a huge influx of prisoners from that religion.

FLG followers are just de-facto criminals like any other, and so extracting their organs is also de-facto legal.

Also, people from that religion don't drink alcohol, smoke or take drugs, and their organs are of good quality.

Furthermore, FLG prisoners continue to not bow down to the government even in prison, e.g. by doing their <>, which makes them clearly identifiable and dangerous to the system.

Finally, add to that mix the <>.

Don't you think, then, that it is extremely likely that it has happened many times that such people have been selected to be executed earlier than others on average, due to the monetary value of their organs?


  • ([archive]) "Analysis of official deceased organ donation data casts doubt on the credibility of China's organ transplant reform" by Matthew P. Robertson, Raymond L. Hinde and Jacob Lavee published at "BMC Medical Ethics" which is part of Springer Nature in 14 November 2019
  • The Slaughter: Mass Killings, Organ Harvesting, and China's Secret Solution to Its Dissident Problem, by Ethan Gutmann, 2014 ** **

===== 2018 China Tribunal


This is a mock tribunal, i.e. one without any power of law, and was of course initially lobbied/organized brought up by FLG:

However, Ciro Santilli believes that none of the lawyers / jury members are FLG believers, and that they are trying to honestly decide if there is enough evidence or not for organ harvesting in China.

They also have non-FLG witnesses.

Whether you believe in their partiality or not, I highly recommend watching some of what the witnesses, which I find very convincing and informative:

  • Swedish man who spent several years in prison in China

A notable precursor to mock tribunals is the link:[Russel Tribunal].


  • Dr. Enver Tothi, has spoken openly about his organ harvesting activities in the 1990s in several tribunals in Europe ** 2020 "Surgeon who harvested organs of slaughtered dissident now London Uber driver" ** 2019 in EU parliament: ** 2017 Him speaking in : at Ireland's[House of the Oireachtas]

=== Things Ciro Santilli dislikes about Falun Gong

But also as explaining why I don't think it justifies the ban.

This section also gives me more credibility as a balanced critic >:-)

  • <>

[[flg-organized]] ==== FLG downplays the fact that it is highly organized

Many FLG practitioners claim that they are not at all organized, or that they have no political interest, and I truly believe that they mean it.

But it is obvious from the size of the <>, namely:

  • <>
  • <> newspaper
  • <> dance troupe

that in practice they do have are a highly organized hierarchical structure, and very likely with <> at the very top, e.g.:

  • Shen Yun's 2018 libretto says that their Artistic Director and founder is "D.F." (likely an abbreviation for Da Fa, which is an abbreviation for Falun Gong Dafa, which is a full name of Falun Gong), with a picture of LHZ on top. It also amusingly says that D.F. is a "Distinguished Professor of Music and Dance at Fei Tian College in New York", which is likely where many of Shen Yun's dancers are trained, and therefore controlled by himself to a large extent. It's Falun Gong's dance-only-for-now[BYU].
  • LHZ mentions NDTV, Epoch Times and Shen Yun extensively on his <>. TODO link to source, this based on unintentionally overhearing to my family members reading it.

Furthermore, Falun Gong practitioners directly lobby foreign governments to take action against human rights abuses in China, e.g.:


Like any other religion, they have all the right to take those actions, and it is definitely in their best interest, and perhaps in the best interest of the whole world, that they do so.

The only thing that annoys me is their lack of self perception on this matter: the large majority of Western people would definitely classify them as an organized political force after having observed their activities. When they say otherwise, they are hurting their own credibility.

[[flg-transparent]] ===== FLG media is not transparent about its affiliation

Agreed, and it is a point that hurts more than helps their cause.

But the media is not legally obliged to state their affiliation.

And if that were the case, then we should force all newspapers to start taking polls of how many employees follow which religion and support which political party, and then put that in their print.

[[flg-intolerance]] ==== Falun Gong dislikes several other groups like homosexuals and some other religions

Like most <>, related: <>.

<> from[]:

Question: Why is homosexuality considered immoral?

Teacher: Think about it, everyone: Is homosexuality human behavior? Heaven created man and woman. What was the purpose? To procreate future generations. A man being with a man, or a woman with a woman—it doesn’t take much thought to know whether that’s right or wrong. When minor things are done incorrectly, a person is said to be wrong. When major things are done incorrectly, it’s a case of people no longer having the moral code of human beings, and then they are unworthy of being human.

Democracy dislikes dictators.

You and I dislike certain personality traits without any logical reason.

What matters is that we treat everyone with respect and without bias at work, even if we don't like them.

But the law can't force you to like everyone.

If one specific FLG member breaks a law by discriminating against someone, they should be punished just like anyone else.

See also:

  • <>
  • <>

===== Falun Gong on races

<> clearly classifies races as a metaphysical concept e.g. on <>[]:

Strictly speaking, Indians, Egyptians, Persians, the yellow race, the white race, and the black race are the six major races of the present Earth. All the other ones are mixed races.

Mixed race people seem to have some metaphysical defect/peculiarity,[]:

Question: What did you say last time that a person of mixed race has lost?

Teacher: He has lost the body that comes from the top down through to here. Let me put it this way: People of the yellow race have people of the yellow race up there, and people of the white race have people of the white race up there. He’s lost this thread.

but they can still go to Heaven:

Question: Can a person of mixed race succeed in cultivation?

Teacher: Whether someone can cultivate and whether he can succeed in cultivation are all up to the person himself. If a person of mixed race can persist in cultivation, he can reach Consummation just the same. When he succeeds in cultivation his Primordial Spirit will return to wherever he came from.

[[flg-medication]] ==== FLG believers are less likely to take necessary medication

Based on what <> saw and heard, he does believe, without any clear statistical evidence, that it is very likely that it hs happened to in many cases that some Falun Gong believers refused to take modern medications and died of diseases that could be otherwise cured.

But consider the following:

  • what matters are statistics. Maybe FLG people live longer than non FLG in average. But we will never have statistics because of censorship:
  • maybe people should be link:[allowed to choose how they want to die], not to take medication if they don't want to
  • maybe the number of people killed during persecution vastly outnumbers those who died because they would not take medication
  • several <>, including <> have miraculous cure claims. My impression is that claims were mostly notable in the old times apparently, likely because people noticed that Christians were still dying of all kinds of diseases like everyone else, no matter how devout!
  • maybe the main reason why communists banned FLG is the political threat it posed, but that a ban was unjustified given the situation. Christian crosses are being taken down as of 2016, have they stopped taking their medications as well? See also <>.
  • maybe many of those people would also have died soon even if they had taken medication
  • maybe not all Falun Gong believers thought that it was wise to stop taking medication. But their religion was banned anyway. Who can agree and follow all the innumerable prescriptions of any religious or legal system? See also: <>.
  • all the following also reduce people's lifespan: + -- ** riding motorcycles vs. cars/buses ** smoking ** moving to a poor country to do charity there ** eating fast food -- + Forbidding them also has huge humanitarian costs (more expensive vehicles, creation of a black market, ...). So why not forbid them as well?

Especially In the beginning, Falun Gong did put a lot of emphasis on its health benefits, just <>, and it is likely that especially many in the first generation of believers do believe it more than others.

For example, the main initial public announcement of Falun Gong was at a <>.

In <> itself, this is not super explicit and emphasised as far as Ciro can see. Zhuan Falun[] has a chapter entitled "On the Issue of Healing Illnesses", that contains:

Let us talk about the most common illnesses, like tumors, infections or osteoproliferation etc., found in the human body. In another space, a very deep space, there lies an evil intelligent entity.

and the general very beaty-around-the-bush suggestion that if you do master Falun Gong fully, you will be healthy. But with the usual disclaimer that "you have to become a master", and since "there are no graduates", no one is ever a master for sure, and as usual "you don't get the promised goodies", as as mentioned at: <>. contains some more direct quotes that suggest that you can take medicine, but you have to try and bear the pain first, and if you can't, it's a sign that you haven't practiced Falun Gong well enough:

So when you take medicine now you’re killing this sickness or the virus at the surface. Medicine can truly kill viruses at the surface. Yet a practitioner’s gong[7] is automatically destroying viruses and karma. But as soon as medicine kills the surface virus that has seeped over from other dimensions, the virus—karma—over on the other side will know, since everything is alive, and it will stop coming over. Then you feel that you’ve recovered because you took the medicine. But let me tell you that it nonetheless accumulates over there. Life after life human beings are accumulating this stuff. When the accumulation reaches a certain extent, the person becomes incurable and when he dies he’s totally destroyed. He loses his life—forever loses his life. That’s how horrifying it is. So here I’ve explained to you the relationship. It’s not that people aren’t allowed to take medicine. When an everyday person gets sick he definitely needs medical treatment.

But how do we cultivators deal with it? Aren’t we purifying your body? Like the annual rings of a tree, there is karma at the very core, and at every layer, life after life, of your body. When you practice cultivation, I keep pushing this karma outward from the center; I push, and push, and push, and push until I completely push the karma out for you. And not all of this can go through the surface of our bodies. You wouldn’t be able to bear it if all of it were to go through the surface of your body. Only a portion of it comes out through the surface. But you still feel that you’re suddenly getting sick, you find it terribly uncomfortable and painful, can’t bear it, regard yourself as an everyday person, and go take medicine. Then you can go ahead and take medicine, as we’ve never said that everyday people can’t take medicine. We only say that your enlightenment quality isn’t up to par and that you didn’t pass this test well.

Ciro does however believe that newer generations believe in this much less, notably because the first believer generation is all basically old or dead, and soon will be entirely dead. This might also have been de-emphasised to reduce the bullshit aspects and help the international spread of Falun Gong. Not even Falun Gong believers are that blind. And this perfectly mimics the beginning of Christianism, where the first generations gave much more emphasis to miraculous cures.

<> has an anecdote on this, which Ciro feels sounds believable:


I think it was Lynn's* death that finally made me realise it was time to leave. I'd seen the writing on the wall about a year prior when I saw her at a yearly "Fa conference" for believers of Falun Gong, otherwise known as Falun Dafa, to exchange experiences and grow spiritually together. An executive assistant at a Queensland valuation firm, I'd gotten to know her over the years in various events as a warm and level-headed lady who had time for everyone. But I'd noticed she had developed a bulge on the side of her head and I was trying not to look at it when I talked to her. I saw, or at least I believed I saw, some pain in her smile. She was probably questioning herself over and over again what "attachments" she hadn't let go of that were causing this sickness to spread through her body and endanger her life. I wanted to tell her to just go to a hospital, although I wasn't at this stage resolute enough in my gradual return to logic. Another part of me feared that by looking at it I was acknowledging it — something you don't do with illnesses in Falun Gong because Master Li Hongzhi teaches that his pupils don't get illnesses. He can cure you but only if you don't have any loopholes in your belief in him and his teachings. Some people with solid beliefs can actually die due to others around them having flaws in their thinking, Li says. Just thinking the wrong way is perilous when you're a Falun Gong practitioner.

I later heard through the grapevine of Lynn's death. The cancer went into her brain and she passed away in extreme pain, probably believing to the end that it was her fault she was in this awful predicament. In a way, I guess it was.

and more interesting anecdotes follow, see source.

And Ciro has felt this first hand with his <>. Whenever she has a health worry, first she tries to hide it. But then she casually mentions it without much thought because she speaks all the time the poor lady, may she be blessed. And then, when Ciro says: OK, let's try and treat it, even for trivial things that might have simple treatments, she immediately smiles a compassionate smile of "I'm a Falun Gong believer, I don't need that". This makes Ciro really mad. He tries to not show it, because he thinks people should be able to choose how they die. But Li promises the powers of <>. to some believers, and yet, blinds some of them to the obvious fact that they are aging, and, slowly but surely, their own bodies are starting to fail, like everyone else's will at one point.

It is also interesting to note how the Chinese government itself supported Falun Gong and <> for their health benefits, which is why they grew so large in the first place. <> was even <>. And the CCP still has a tendency to support certain non-scientific traditional practices: <>.

. one random thing ex-KGB spy undercover in the USA Jack Barsky mentioned in this BuzzFeed Multiplayer interview stuck to his mind: "The one thing that you have here, that I believe cannot be found anywhere else in the world is called Freedom, with a capital F". If people want to die in a certain way, or believe that some bullshit will cure them, they should be allowed. Natural selection will take care of the rest. video::kIpaDW3RwtY[youtube,height=400,width=600,start=244]

[[li-hongzhi]] ==== Li Hongzhi (LHZ, 李洪志)


Li Hongzhi (LHZ, 李洪志) is the creator of FLG: link:[].

Falun Gong people call him "master" (师父), which is a common traditional term used to respectfully address experienced teachers in a disciple (弟子)/teacher relation, e.g. Kung Fu or other crafts.

However they also believe that he has many many God-like powers and is comparable figures such as Jesus and Buddha himself.

Notably they believe that he has superpowers, and that everything that he says is the absolute truth of the universe, see also: <>.

The term "master" is also used for example in the fictional film The Master (2012), which is likely inspired in <>.

<> however prefers to call him <>, since he feels LHZ is indistinguishable from <>. Guru/<> could also apply.

It's funny that even though Falun Gong only came up recently in the 80's, we still know relatively little about Li. One is kind of reminded of Jesus! See also <> and <>.

One should note however that this is partly by design: at some point in the 90's, Li relatively stepped away from public view. This is because once you reach a critical mass of followers, it is better to let them to the preaching for you, while you hide your obvious human defects in a corner. See also comments at <>.

Li Hongzhi footage:

  • 1999-06-12 AP USA: "CHINA: FALUN DAFA CULT POSES NO THREAT CLAIMS FOUNDER" Li Hongzhi talks to media in New York

.<> is Falun Gong's prophet/cult leader/living God. He's a cute North-Westerner 东北人 like <>.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/LiHongzhi.jpg[height=400]

.<> practicing one of his exercises with one of his cute prophet outfits in an extremely nice Chinese <>. TODO exact location and date.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/LiHongzhistonegarden.jpg[height=600]

[[li-hongzhi-blue-halo]] .<> in front of a light blue background (similar to <>) with a[halo] suggestion around his head.[Lower quality version] on <> itself.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/LiHongzhiblue.jpg[height=400]

[[li-hongzhi-lotus]] .<> going[Super Saiyan] while casually sitting on a[giant Lotus flower] with a[halo] on his head.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/LiHongzhi_lotus.jpg[height=600]

.<> really turning into a proper Buddha, including[physical signs] such as the[Ushnisha] on the head and the["ears as longs as lotus petals"]. <>[source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/LiHongzhi_Buddha.jpg[height=400]

.Dubstep <> can <> at[dubstep] speed.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/LiHongzhidubstep.webp[height=400]

===== FLG is dangerous because Li Hongzhi has too much power over followers

Ciro agrees that there is danger in every religion, and especially new religions.

However the same point can be made about political parties and in particular the CCP and its chairman.

Couldn't a charismatic leader chairman gain more and more power (like Xi seems to be doing), and eventually start a war and kill millions? Or just kill some minority who is not happy about the situation.

Similarly, any charismatic leader of a pro-democracy movement could become the leader of a terrorist organization.

If you ever want democracy, you will have to learn to accept the beliefs of others, and only punish them when they actually break a law.

Finally, LHZ was born in 1951, so he will die in 20 years, unless FLG is true and a miracle happens, and then this argument will become invalid.

From what Ciro hears, LHZ has always maintained that he is the only source of truth on FLG (see also "The Guru is always right"), and therefore, so his death will very likely remove any danger once and for all.

Furthermore, it also seems to Ciro that FLG is clearly anti-violence and self-harm, so Ciro wonder how many would follow a contradictory order such as killing or suicide? We have had no hint of any incitation to violence so far.

It is also interesting to look into the case. When the suicide order came, most people wanted out! Without physically controlling the followers, I don't think you can make them do much.

===== Li Hongzhi's hagiography mentions that there are two versions of the biography:

  • An unofficial biography appeared in the first of Li's major publications, <>, supposedly authored by journalist Zhu Huiguang (朱慧光). + The full text appears to be at available at: (God bless <> piracy, link:++[archive]) + <> gives the full title of the section + a translation (originally in pinyin, but why?!?! :-)): + ____ 法輪旋轉新天地-記李洪志先生和他創立的法輪功 + "The wheel of the law revolves the new cosmos - on Li Hongzhi and the Falun Gong he founded". ____
  • A second, official spiritual biography appeared in early editions of <>. + It is shorter than the first, and is marked as authored by the "Falun Dafa Research Society's President" (法轮功研究会会长). + The Wiki quotes <>. + Penny says that it was removed in 1999 (presumably to remove some more glaring magical bullshit help with internationalization). + A possible Chinese copy might be found at: inside a 1994 version of Zhuan Falun. + The section is entitled "中国法轮功创始人、法轮功研究会会长 李洪志先生小传", so literally tranlated as a "profile" (小传) rather than a full biography. The index marks it as 附 (addendum), and it comes at the end of the book.

===== Let's make a mini series about Li Hongzhi's life

Ciro can't help but to imagine how Falun Gong came about in detail.

Someone should write a["The Last Temptation of Christ"].

This deserves an American miniseries like Chernobyl.

It would manage to piss off both FLG and the CCP, which would be amazing. It is a shame that it is so difficult to find good historical information between the infinite barrages of CCP and FLG propaganda.

It could show how:

  • Li was an ordinary dude who could liked to play the trumpet, which partially explains his focus on <> and Falun Gong musical street parades
  • Li first heard about Qi Gong, and went to practice it under some dude. Then how he saw other people were so into it, and decided to take this opportunity to make a career out of it during the 80's
  • how he met his wife and had a daughter
  • how he started to notice how people were feeling things during the exercise classes, and started suggesting more and more metaphysics to these first disciples
  • Li could also have some metaphysical moment, like but at the same time, he must tell his followers some lies which he does not believe
  • how followers started telling others things and "experience sharing" where the cycle of belief stats to take off
  • a clear demonstration of how "A group of early adopters in Changchun became disenchanted after Li forbade his followers from charging fees for the practice at the end of 1994" showing dissent within the cult
  • and finally, the immigration and crackdown, and how he put his fingers on those things, and the creation of media, this could be the last episode

Episodes could be split along:

  • Episode 1: pre Qi Gong, shows Childhood, workplaces, early motivations. Ends with first contact with a Qi Gong lesson
  • Episode 2: early Falun Gong. Opens an academy. Starts without metaphysics, but grows into it. Show him knowingly lying, but also seething magic things. The first followers, and top lieutenants. Makes some management mistake, but escapes. Could end in a metaphysical scene, or 13 May 1992 initial public lesson. Maybe a scene of Li's visit to <> in 1983 (photo from CCP media found on Google).
  • Episode 3: later Falun Gong in China. It grows, show in Chinese news. Power struggles, problems with early lieutenants, and new lieutenants come up. Many people practice on streets. Battle against <>. Near 1996, something tips Li off to the fact that the CCP is going to crack down on them, and so he announces that he will be spreading abroad full time. Check out if this was before or after the first Anti FLG newspaper article in 1996-06-17.
  • Episode 4: preaching outside of China and emigration. American permanent residence in 1998. Watches crackdown on television. International Falun Gong media. Show him at Falun Gong New York <> complex

Parts of the series could be filmed in <> maybe?

Source material: <>.

[[li-hongzhis-family]] ===== Li Hongzhi's family 李洪志的家庭

At least Jesus appeared to value chastity. He was even born from a virgin right? No sex around him at all.

But Li doesn't need that. He's a God right, he can both be an Enlightened God part time and still have a normal family part time.

Once thing Ciro approves about Li's approach to his family is that he seems to have stated (TODO source) that none of them are Gods like him.

Wife's name: Li Rui (李瑞 according to CCP). Report saying that a follower bought a house and registered it on Li Rui's name as a gift, but Li later returned the gift back: TODO house address.

<> gives further family members (some of them are based only on CCP sources however):

  • daughter: Li Meige (李美歌) claims born 1982-06 on <> says that she performs in <> under the name "Christina Li" and even won awards. This Falun Gong sources confirm that a "Christina Li" was a Shen Yun lead dancer as of 2011, but does not confirm that she is the daughter of Li Hongzhi: If this is true, talk about <>! The article also claims that she has had other pseudonyms, including: "Annie Li" and "Li Jingjing" (李晶晶). Here are web archives of the now broken of course Shen Yun pages Kaiwand links to as evidence of her constant name changing (but no mention of her father): ** ** ** possibly CCP sources report that Meige married in 2017, likely near the Falun Gong Day (13th May): e.g. says many felicitation posts were posted on <>, so this is likely widely known within the Falun Gong community, but the idiots who wrote that page don't know how to link to sources. Ciro could not find the groom's name.
  • brothers and sisters, all younger: ** Li Jun (李君) older younger sister ** Li Ping (李平) younger younger sister *** Notably, Li Ping's alleged husband Sun Senjun (孙森伦) is a Chinese-Thai, and allegedly wrote an account of Li Hongzhi's family in the 1980's "我与李洪志一家在泰国的日子——法轮功教主妹夫的自述" ("Diary's of being in <> with Li Hongzhi's family")[ISBN 9789996590252] This is reproduced on many CCP sources, e.g.: but it is good reading if you take everything with a grain of salt, does sound believable. TODO find original publishing location. This appears to be an interview: (watermarked <> on top) ** Li Hui (AKA Li Donghui) younger brother
  • father: Li Dan
  • mother: Lu Shuzhen

There are also claims that Li's birth name was Li Lai (李來).

This claims to contain the biography of Li Hongzhi's family (likely all according to CCP sources), including several good pictures: The photo given there for Li Jun appears on this apparently FLG source without mention of the name:

.Li Hongzhi with his wife Li Rui and daughter Li Meige presumably in the late 80's with fishing ships in a shipyard in the background. TODO location. Likely from CCP sources, in many places with <> watermarks.[Anti-FLG source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/LiHongzhiwithwifeand_daughter.jpg[height=400]

.Photo of Christina Li from Shen Yun, which the CCP claims to be Li Meige, daughter of Li Hongzhi. That page also claims that she was awarded Bronze in the 2009 and 2010 NDT Chinese Dance Competition.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/LiMeigeShenyun.jpg[height=400]

[[dragon-springs]] ===== Dragon Springs (龙泉)

Li Hongzhi's Falun Gong complex in New York state countryside, where he lives, and organizes <>.

Started in the 2000's in New York State with money donated by believers.

  • 1999 "Falun Gong US compound's neighbors fret over expansion plans"

[[zhong-gong]] === Zhong Gong 中华养生益智功 (中功)


A very similar religion to <>, that also emerged during the fever of the '80s and '90s.

The similarity of their imagery as seen from propaganda videos is striking. To <>, this makes Zhong Gong a perfect example of why <>: it is obvious that both Zhong Gong and Falun Gong and many others were just random dudes who took advantage of the Qigong fever to create their religions.

Their prophet is Hongbao.

Interestingly, like <>, Hongbao is also from the Northeast of China (Heilongjiang), there must be a reason why those Qi Gong movements come from that region.

Unlike Falun Gong however, Zhong Gong failed to branch the franchise out of China, and basically died out. He also died in a car crash in 2006 which didn't help. Li Hongzhi however played smarter, and started branching abroad full force in 1996, he might have predicted that the crackdown was inevitale.

Wikipedia says it reached 34 million followers in China.

Hongbao also has a more spicy history it seems, with sexual allegations and open political goals <>. Well played, Li, well played.

<> maintains in <> that Falun Gong is of course extremely different from all of those other extremely similar Qi Gong religions (not sure if Zhong Gong is mentioned, but is it definitely one of the main targets).

  • googd Zhong Gong playlist
  • Zhong Gong people "experience sharing". It truly is exactly like Falun Gong.
  • this appears to be positive mainstream media coverage of Zhong Gong
  • video of Hongbao giving a lecture dated 1994 and commented "Qiling kylin Tianhua culture"
  • video dated January 21st, 2007 of Monks praying after his death
  • contains a bunch of what appear to be extremely low quality Zhong Gong propaganda videos. It is very similar to Falun Gong's of course.

The embassy spokesman says Chinese officials have ample evidence of sect leader Zhang Hongbao's involvement in crimes such as rape and murder.

.Zhang Honbao on a giant flying lotus reaching Enlightenment with a halo. It looks <>. But of course, Zhong Gong is just a "completely unrelated and inferior sect" according to <>.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/ZhongGong_lotus.jpg[height=400]

[[zhong-gong-blue]] .The blue background, the halos, the praying hands, the master Zhang Hongbao flying above. It is just exactly like <>. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Zhonggongblue.jpg[height=400]

[[flg-blue]] .Hungarian <> propaganda image with woman meditating in with blue sky background for comparison with <>.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/FalunGongsky_advertisement.jpg[height=400]

[[qigong-fever]] ==== Qigong fever Boom 气功热 (1980's)

AKA Qigong Boom.

  • 特异功能、法功灭火、铝锅传功……80年代的气功热究竟有多疯狂? How crazy was the Qi Gong boom after all?

=== Falun Gong bibliography

  • at <>
  • further developed at: <>

[[me-and-li-by-ben-hurley-2017]] ==== Me and Li by Ben Hurley (2017) "Me and Li" by Ben Hurley published on October 23, 2017.

This post by a former believer gives what <> feels is a realistic account that matches Ciro's observations.

Interesting quotes:

  • <>

[[history-of-falun-gong]] ==== History of Falun Gong 法轮功历史


A few non-religious non-CCP resources can be found at:

  • Sun Senjun's accounts from the 1980's, see: <>

but those are very rare, because where else would the information come form, right?

Some key events:

  • 1989: initial private beta courses. TODO key interesting moment.
  • 1992-05-13: initial public lecture at the 1992 International Health Exposition in Beijing, and opening main academy on No. 5 Middle School in Changchun, Jilin Province (capital. + TODO what did he talk about on that Beijing day. This day still celebrated in 2020 as["Falun Dafa Day"], in which the major international "<> Conference" happens in New York. + He apparently also taught at Chaoyang Park in Changchun:

[[benjamin-penny-the-life-and-times-of-li-hongzhi-2003]] ===== The Life and times of Li Hongzhi by Benjamin Penny (2003)

Free to read at:

[[benjamin-penny-the-religion-of-falun-gong-2012]] ===== The Religion of Falun Gong by Benjamin Penny (2012)

A freely downloadable paper with a subset of the book:

The author: is an Australian researcher,

[[politicians]] == Chinese politicians 中国政治家

[[xi-jinping]] === Xi Jinping (习近平, 2012-∞, Heil卐!)


[[xi-abolishes-term-limits-2018-03]] ==== Xi abolishes term limits (习近平取消席连任不得超过两届的限制规则, 2018-03)

  • 包子露宪

.<> cartoon showing Xi Jinping preparing to sleep in[Mao Zedong's tomb], meaning that Xi also wants to reach Mao's "eternal ruler" status when he abolished term limits in 2018.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xisleep_Mao.jpg[height=400]

.1977 photo showing Mao's actual glass tomb during his funeral, with famous politicians in the background. It is interesting to see that Mao[features on the "Fandom Mummipedia Wiki"].[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Maocoffin.jpeg[height=400]

.[The Economist] "Let's party like it's 1793" cover from May 4th – 10th 2013 depicting a painting of Xi Jinping dressed as emperor of China. The famous[Qianlong Emperor] was in power at that time. The title is likely a joke based on the more well known["Let's party like it's 1969"] due to the legendary[Woodstock festival]. Party is also a play on words between the Communist Party and a night party. TODO why 1793 specifically.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Letspartylikeits1793.jpg[height=600]

[[panama-papers]] ==== Panama papers 巴拿马文件 (2016) |巴拿馬文件

Leak of financial data implicating <>.

Mentions <>'s brother-in-law Jiagui.

See also <>'s answer to[What is the net worth of Xi Jinping?] answer on <>.

[[xi-jinping-memes]] ==== Xi Jinping memes 习近平模因

  • 習包子: says: + ____ Xi Jinping got his nickname as "Xi baozi 習包子" ("<>") due to the much publicized visit he made to the famous Qìngfēng bāozi pù 庆丰包子铺 ("Qingfeng baozi shop") in Beijing. During and after his visit to the shop, media swarmed over the place and were eager to portray an image of Xi as being down to earth and close to the people. Those who dislike Xi use this nickname sarcastically against him for being a hick and for hypocritically "putting on a show" (zuòxiù 作秀). ____ + See also: <>.
  • 大撒币: says: + ____ It can be translated as "big spender," a play on the literal translation of the words sā bì 撒币 "throw money" and "stupid cunt" (shǎ bī 傻逼). The nickname takes aim at the economic aid Xi has promised to foreign countries; the moniker is so widely used on Chinese social media that the censors' repressive measures only draw more attention to it, and to the criticism embedded within it. ____ + See also: <>.

[[xi-jinping-lookalikes]] ===== Xi Jinping Lookalikes 习近平撞脸

.2019-05-21[Sadomasochist] Xi Jinping lookalike or photoshop in suit at a cosplay fair. TODO: is this a Photoshop and if yes what's the original pic, publish dates, location/event. Earliest post found so far: 2019-05-21 08:49:20 GMT+1 (Imgur timestamp) going wild on <>:[] entitled "這位coser是誰啊?好眼熟。" (Who is this Cosplayer? He looks familiar.) by user "a15568". Watermark reads "I am Dasen 郭" image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xisadomasochist.jpg[height=500]

.2020-01-01[Pan-fried dumpling] Xi Jinping lookalike 生煎包习近平撞脸. Furthermore, this reminded people of <>. A <> report from 2020-01-01: TODO name, location. One of the many videos of him:[] image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/MantouXi_lookalike.jpg[height=400]

[[liu-keqing-singer]] .2020-05-12 Liu Keqing (刘克清) is an opera singer who had his personal videos on <> taken down from time to time because he looks too much like <>.【立此存照】只因太像习近平?歌唱家刘克清形/[China Digital Times report]. One of his personal vlogs reuploaded to YouTube where he shared singing techniques and thoughts:[]. A video of him performing professionally in a chamber concert: 2018-11-02[]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/LiuKeqingsingerXilookalike.jpeg[height=400]

Less good ones:

  • 2014-06-23 "Shao Jianhua" TODO Chinese name, name of dish he sells. Too young and not fat enough.

[[winnie-the-pooh]] ===== Comparisons between Xi Jinping and Winnie-the-Pooh 小熊維尼 (2017)

Got censored due to comparisons between Xi Jinping and Winnie in 2017:

Thailand has their own version: <>.

In <> we see that a <> video actually interviews someone who mentions that, so the meme has had a positive connotation at least some point in the past.

Some good photoshops:

.Comparison image between Xi Jinping waking with then USA president[Barack Obama] with a Winnie-the-Pooh cartoon still of Winnie walking with[Tigger, the tiger]. The original photo is from[Xi's 2013 visit to the Annenberg Retreat at Sunnylands, California].[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/XiPooh_Obama.webp[height=400]

.Comparison image between Xi Jinping shaking hands with[the Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe] and a Winnie-the-Pooh cartoon still of Winnie shaking hands with the[Eeyore, the donkey]. The original photo is from[Abe's lacklustre 2014 visit to Beijing].[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/XiAbe_Pooh.webp[height=400]

.Comparison image between Xi Jinping on a car in a 2015 military parade and a toy Winnie-the-Pooh on a car.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/XiPoohcar.jpg[height=400]

.Real photo of Xi Jinping edited to look like Winnie the Pooh.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/XiPooh_Photoshop.webp[height=400]

[[xi-dada]] ====== Xi Dada (习大大, 2015)

Benevolent[personification] of <>. Part of the <>.

2015-09-23 "Who is Xi Dada"?

That article comments on "Who is Xi Dada?" by <> (2015-09-23) in which several foreign students in China praise <> in English. notably states: "They also refer to him as <>". Priceless.

What does dada mean:í-Jìnpíng-called-Xí-Dàdà

Some other sources:

  • 2015-03-08 "“习大大”再次燃起中国人的领袖崇拜之情" (Xi Dada reignties Chinese Leader's cult once again)

.Golden heart shaped souvenir with a picture of Xi Jinping that was sold in <> in 2018.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/XiJinpingheart.jpeg[height=400]

.Xi Jinping in 2019 wearing his cute compassionate face. Do you think that such a cute cute North-Westerner 东北人 would ever to terrible things like <> or <>? Impossible, it must be <>. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xi_dada.jpg[height=400]

[[chrysanthemium-xi-jinping]] ===== Chrysanthemium Xi Jinping (菊花习近平, 2015)

Got creator Dai Jianyong (戴建勇) arrested in 2015:


.Chrysanthemum Xi Jinping with <> spice added by Ciro Santilli image::{cirosantilli-media-base}/ChrysanthemumXiJinpingwithblackredliusiaddedbyCiroSantilli.jpg[height=400]

.Original Chrysanthemum Xi Jinping by Dai Jianyong published in 2015.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Chrysanthemum_Xi.jpeg[height=400]

[[xi-jinping-portrait-blue]] .Possible original Xi Jinping photo used for Chrysanthemum Xi, possibly from 2012. The light blue gradient background was used for the official photos of many Communist officials of the era.,28804,211197521119762112111,00.html[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/XiJinpingportrait_2012.jpg[height=400]

[[xi-jinping-thought]] ==== Xi Jinping Thought (习近平新时代中国特色社会主义思想, 2017)


Added to the Constitution in preparation for <>.

<>'s <>.

Online video version courtesy of <>:[]. Contains <> videos, not text:

Notably, it consists of 14 chapters, which are called "talks" (讲), e.g. the first talk (第一讲) etc. This is exactly like <>'s <> (and likely like other ancient Chinese religious texts).

.<> image of <> on the cover of the Governance of China book which is part of <>. The similarity to <> devotional images <>. Related: <>.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/XiJinpingTheGovernanceofChina.jpg[height=400]

[[two-safegards]] ===== Two safegards (两个维护, 2018)兩個維護

Part of <>.

[[jiang-zemin]] === Jiang Zemin (江泽民, 1989-2002) |江泽民

<> from 1989 to 2002.

Jiang is often compared to a toad in a meme what is referred to as toad worship (膜蛤), further keywords: 蛤蟆


The Chinese also love Jiang's quote in English during an interview with Hong Kong press:

Too young, too simple, sometimes naive.

. Jiang Zemin saying "Too simple, sometimes naive." video::y-JPLzj2poY[youtube,height=400,width=600,start=57]

Jiang also has an amazing array of meme-ready funny expressions.

.Comparison between Jiang Zemin and a 72-feet-tall inflatable toad in a Beijing park seen in 2014 made the rounds on Weibo and led to some <>.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/JiangZeminfrog.jpg[height=400]

.Jiang picking his nose.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/JiangZeminnose_picking.jpg[height=400]

.Jiang reading through comically large magnifying glass during the opening ceremony of the[19th Party Congress] in 2017.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Jaignzeminmagnify.jpg[height=400]

.More Jiang funny expressions and Photoshops from a Research Gate page![Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/JiangZeminemoticons_montage.png[height=400]

[[deng-xiaoping]] === Deng Xiaoping 邓小平 (1982-1987)


[[mao-zedong]] === Mao Zedong 毛泽东 (1954–1976)


What could be a better reminder that <> than the catastrophes that Mao created such as the <> and <>?

.Mao Zedong in Yan'an in the 1930's thinking deeply. This funny looking picture is meme ready and[much loved by Uncyclopedia].[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/MaoZedongin_Yanan.jpg[height=400]

[[little-red-book]] ==== Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung (Little Red Book, 毛主席语录, 1976)


<>'s <>. Like <>'s, also extracted from talks, see also: <>.

[[hundred-flowers-campaign]] ==== Hundred Flowers Campaign 百花齐放 (1956-1957)


Some possible quotes from Mao saying that people should be able to protest, original share:

允许群众示威。 + Citizens should be allowed to protest.

claims from from some 毛泽东选集第五卷 (selected works from Mao Zedong) in speech from the[8th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China]. mentions the anthology was published in 1977.

Even <> confirms:

<> also comes to mind.

[[great-leap-forward]] ==== Great Leap Forward 大跃进 (1958-1960)


.A high tower of[winter gourds] "冬瓜上高楼" propaganda poster for the Great Leap Forward by[Jin Meisheng] published in 1959. <>, politicians promise the fat gourds. But when there is <> lies, things can get really out of hand.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Wintergourd.jpg[height=600]

[[cultural-revolution]] ==== Cultural Revolution 文化大革命 (1966-1976)


. Vox 6 minute explanation with some good footage for impatient Millennials, published on Feb 14, 2020. video::kXByOrRrO7c[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[mao-swim]] ===== Mao swim across the Yangtze river (毛主席畅游长江, 1966-07-16)毛主席畅游长江

Good <> article:

Mao claimed to have set a swimming record by swimming 15km in 65 minutes at the age of 72 at the Yangtze in Wuhan, or an average of 13.8 km/h.

As a comparison, the Olympic swimmers of 2016 covered the lesser distance of 10 km in 113 minutes: for an average of 5.3 km/h.

According to[this article], the maximum current speed of the Yantze is 128.5 cm/s or 4.62 km/h so even if he were swimming with the current, Mao was faster.

Dictatorships would never lie about obviously verifiable facts, would they?

And idiots today still celebrate this event that preceded the <> which put China's economy in shambles.

<> learnt from this and also showed off his swimming skills in 2009.

.年毛泽东游长江2.jpg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Maoswim_wave.jpg[height=400]

[[news]] == News 新闻

Trying to keep only "neutral" sources here, let me know if you spot something too biased: <>.

How I find them: <>.

=== News 2020

  • 2020-01 one more human rights person Ding Jiaxi. The list is endless, should we care?

=== News 2019

  • 2019-12-18 Fudan University in China removes "freedom of thought" from university charters, students protes
  • 2019-10-16 GitLab prevents employees from discussing politics at work, and will not veto clients. This is not confirmed, but I guess it is very likely in reply to the <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>> given the timing. The request.
  • Twitter to block operations by oppressive foreign state media ** Reddit: ** Reddit:
  • 2019-07-12 "37 countries rally around China at top UN human rights body" ** <> ** the full scanned letter:
  • 2019-07-02 "Chinese border guards put secret surveillance app on tourists' phones"
  • 2019-04-28 Hong Kong: Thousands protest against China extradition law **
  • 2019-01 Microsoft Bing search engine blocked in China
  • 2019-01 interview with Beyondsoft, a company that offers censorship services

[[nine-nine-six-icu]] ==== 996.ICU

Repository published in 2019-04 protesting against excessive work hours by Chinese programmers.

The name refers to:

  • "996": work from 9AM to 9PM 6 days a week
  • "ICU":[Intensive Care Unit]

Reached 180k stars in a week, and was the second most starred repository as of 2019-10!!!

This is therefore the best example for Chinese tech workers that <>.



Other interesting GitHub repositories: <>.

.996.ICU logo.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/996ICU.png[height=400]

=== News 2018

  • 2018-08
  • 2018-06
  • 2018-05
  • 2018-04
  • 2018-04
  • 2018-03 Funny pics at:
  • 2018-02
  • 2018-02
  • 2018-01
  • 2018-01
  • 2018-01
  • 2018-01 Marriott lists <> as country on the website
  • 2018-01
  • 2018-01

=== News 2017

  • 2017-12
  • 2017-11 低端人口 Low-end population **
  • 2017-11 Springer nature pulls sensitive articles. TODO article list.
  • 2017-09
  • 2017-08
  • 2017-07 Book list: archive:
  • 2017-07
  • 2017-07
  • 2017-06 Uyghurs studying abroad ordered to return to China
  • 2017-06 httsp://
  • 2017-05
  • 2017-05
  • 2017-05
  • 2017-04
  • 2017-03 "China congress: BBC team forced to sign confession"

=== News 2016

  • 2016-11 Possible Twitter:
  • 2016-09:
  • 2016-06
  • 2016-06 first GitHub takedown, see also: <>
  • 2016 "Queen Elizabeth II Says Chinese Officials Were 'Very Rude' on State Visit"
  • 2016 Sexy banana eating forbidden
  • 2016-04 China economic sanctions companies that sell weapons to <> (some of those companies also sell civilian products to China)
  • 2016-04 Disney Life blocked
  • 2016-04 Apple iTunes and iBooks blocked
  • 2016 China's '<>' blocks its creator
  • 2016 gay depiction banned on television
  • 2016 Armani Communist - - first section of
  • 2016 Ling Wancheng defects
  • 2016 Zhang Haitao (张海涛) faces 19 years in jail for his blog posts
  • 2016 Facebook Android app implements Tor option
  • 2016 Honk Kong (2016) movie

=== News 2015

  • 2015-11
  • 2015-09
  • 2015 Gui Minhai, 51, from publisher Mighty Current who was going to publish a book about <>'s love life. ** ** 2020: stenced to 10 years ** Lam Wing-kee (林榮基) is another one of the detained booksellers of the Causeway Bay Books group *** *** 2016 interview in freedom ***
  • <>
  • 2015 Taiwanese beauty queen kicked out of Miss Earth pageant for refusing to change
    Taiwan ROC' sash to
    Chinese Taipei'
  • 2015 shadowsocks creator threatened
  • 2015 Lego refuses to sell to Ai Weiwei
  • 2015 Bao Zhuoxuan 16-year old son of human rights layer in house arrest

[[the-709-crackdown]] ==== 709 crackdown 中國709維權律師大抓捕事件 (2015)


Hundreds of human rights activists put into jail in quick succession. Short forms:

  • 709大抓捕
  • 710律师劫

709 refers to the date when the arrests started: 09 July 2015. There were about 200 arrests.

News coverage:

  • 2015 ** ** ** ** from <> ** 2015-11-24 "回首2015:709律师大抓捕" by <>
  • 2017 ** 2017-04

Se also: <>

.<> cartoon of about 40 of the arrested lawyers. TODO full name list.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/709_lawyers.jpg[height=400]

=== News pre-2015

  • 2014 "China bans wordplay in attempt at pun control"
  • 2013 Peter Humphrey
  • 2012 One of the most blocked on Wikipedia according to: link:complete-gfw-rulebook-for-wikipedia-v3.0.pdf[] Nutech Namibia Hu Haifeng corruption scandal 纳米比亚威视胡海峰腐败丑闻
  • 2011 2011 Chinese pro-democracy protests |中国茉莉花活动
  • 2009 Ai Weiwei documentary about it:
  • 2008 |豆腐渣工程
  • 2008 Wenzhou train collision年甬台温铁路列车追尾事故
  • 2005 |东洲事件 Dongzhou protests
  • 1999 Apple censors Dalai Lama for China
  • 1978-1979 Beijing Spring ** **北京之春 **[Xidan (西单)] Democracy Wall *** ***西单民主墙 + .Xidan democracy wall.,May1979.jpg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/XidanWall.jpg[height=400]

[[tiananmen]] ==== Tiananmen Square Protests of 1989 六四事件


Good photo selections:

  • 2014 "Photos: The 1989 Tiananmen Square Protests". This is one of Ciro's favorite photo selections.
  • 2014 ([archive]) a few gory photos
  • 2015 "The Hidden History Of The Tiananmen Square Massacre"
  • 2019 "These Horrifying Pictures Show The Tiananmen Square Protests Like You've Never Seen Them"

AP footage is pretty good, just do a search on the archive:

** **

Soldiers who spoke up:

  • Zhang Shijun (张世军) is perhaps the most notable soldier who spoke up: ** 2018-06-04 RFA interview *** *** ** 2009-03 published an open letter *** *** "Zhang Shijun taken from home in middle of the night after publishing open letter to Chinese president Hu Jintao"
  • Li Xiaoming **

Other interesting links:

  • 六四档案 Website dedicated to collecting photos of the protests and aftermath. Says you have to login to see the gory photos, but hovering over thumbnails expands all of them, and their email service is broken as of 2020 so you can't sign up.
  • Chinese poetry anthology about Tiananmen collected by <>

.Sea of protesters in Tiananmen Square on 2019-05-04. No, not even that many people can influence dictatorships if they don't have weapons.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tianmen_sea.jpg[height=600]

[[pu-zhiqiang-shirt]] .[Pu Zhiqiang (浦志强)] was student demonstrator during the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989. His shirt reads: "Freedom of the press, freedom of association, support the 'link: Economic Herald', and support just journalists." (辦報自由 結社自由 聲援世经导报 支持正义记者, fully quoted[here]) Date: 1989-05-10. Pu remained in China as a human rights layer, and[was arrested in 2014] for attending a private meeting commemorating the 25th anniversary of Tiananmen.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/PuZhiqiang_tshirt.jpg[height=500]

.Students from Beijing University stage a huge demonstration in Tiananmen Square as they start an unlimited hunger strike as the part of mass pro-democracy protest against the Chinese government. Photo taken on 1989-05-18 by Catherine Henriette/AFP/Getty Images.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tiananmenstudentssitting.jpg[height=400]

.Who said there weren't some cute girls amongst the protesters? Photo taken on 1989-05-19 by AP Photo/Sadayuki Mikami.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tiananmencutegirls.jpg[height=500]

.Happy protesters surround army convoy of 4,000 not so happy soldiers on 1989-05-20. Ciro can't help but to think the politically incorrect idea that the military <>.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tiananmentrooptruck_night.jpg[height=500]

.A young woman is caught between civilians and Chinese soldiers, who were trying to remove her from an assembly near the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, on 1989-06-03. AP Photo/Jeff Widener.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tiananmengirlstrife.jpg[height=400]

.A student from an art institute plasters the neck of the"Goddess of Democracy" statue on 1989-05-30. Replicas have of course been erected elsewhere, and when the CCP falls one day, this will be rebuilt, obviously.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tiananmensculptgoddess.webp[height=600]

.An old lady tells those rowdy overpriviledged students that they were complaining for no reason, and that in the <>, and that they should just go the fuck home on 1989-05-31 (Ciro might or might not have made up the exact content of the conversation).[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tiananmenoldlady.webp[height=500]

.A dissident student asks masses of sitting soldiers to go back home on 1989-06-03. Great shot composition by AP Photo/Jeff Widener.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tiananmenannouncesoldiers.webp[height=500]

.Godzilla[Li Peng (李鹏)] crushing the Tiananmen Square protests with his green eye laser beams.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/LiatTiananmen_Eyebeams.jpg[height=400]

.Protester covered in blood while holding an army helmet on 1989-06-04.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tiananmen_helmet.jpg[height=500]

[[liubukou]] .Bodies run over by tanks by the road in after the Tiananmen Square Protests were crushed in the morning of 1989-06-05. The source website is by French journalist[Ursula Gauthier], who explains how those photos were taken by one of the students of the group, who later asked her to take the photos abroad to publish them. The students were some of the last to leave after the crackdown, and they were trying to escape through a small street that leads into'an Avenue when the tanks came at high speed near Liubukou crossroads (TODO Chinese name) half mile West of Tiananmen square, and not all students were able evade the tanks. mentions that some bodies had to be scrapped-off the street. Ursula was later kicked out of China in 2015 after commenting that the CCP had ulterior motives for giving their condolences to the[November 2015 Paris attacks]. Interesting fact: Ciro was actually less than 1km away from one of the Paris attacks on that night, at his home, and first learnt about what had happened when people started calling to see if he was fine.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tianmencrushed_dead.jpg[height=600]

.Bodies with gun wounds at the mortuary at Shuili Hospital (水利医院, Hospital of the Ministry of Water Resources of China,[Google maps],水利医院[Baidu],[New York Times Chinese report]), about 8km West of Tiananmen Square.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/TiananmenShuiliHospital_dead.jpg[height=500]

.A Chinese couple on a bicycle take cover beneath an underpass as tanks deploy overhead in eastern Beijing on 1989-06-05 by AP Photo/Liu Heung Shing. This photo one is almost poetic.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tiananmenbicyclebridge.jpg[height=400]

.Family members try to comfort a mother who has just learned of her son's death after he was killed by soldiers at Tiananmen Square, June 4. TODO what's her name? An association Mothers was created after the events.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tiananmencrying_mother.webp[height=500]

.The morning after the military crackdown of the pro-democracy protesters in Tiananmen Square, workers clean their posters from bulletin boards. Resume <> as usual.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tiananmenmessageboard_cleanup.webp[height=500]

[[tiananmen-songs]] ===== Tiananmen Square Protests songs 六四事件歌曲


  • "China" by Joan Baez from the[Speaking of Dreams (1989) album]. Folk. + video::-JTWXqUPQ7I[youtube,height=400,width=600]
  • "The blood is on the square" by Phillip Morgan from[1990]. Folk. + video::6OOlXJs4I8k[youtube,height=400,width=600]
  • Same Cry (Feat. L.T.; Explicit) by[MC Jin] from the 2004 album "The Rest Is History'. Hip hop American born Hakka Chinese.


  • "Nothing to My Name (一無所有)" by Cui Jian (崔健) from 1986, therefore around the time of <> ** Lyrics and translation ** Chorus: "你合适跟我走" which translates to "When will you walk with me?" Could be talking directly to the Government. ** The singer is/was very popular, the song was composed in 1986, but was very popular at the time of the protests, and became kind of a hymn. ** ** |一无所有_(歌曲) + [[nothing-to-my-name]] video::m7uk0-vlpP0[youtube,height=400,width=600]
  • History's wound (历史的伤口) 1989-5-28 song by several <> singers **历史的伤口 ** Lyrics: + video::F8lWiWaSTtg[youtube,height=400,width=600]
  • "The square (廣場)" by Li Zhi (李志) from 2019. Slow/sad mood pop/rock. ** the singer disappeared from public view in June 2019 and his songs were purged from public listings ** lyrics and translation **


  • "The flower of freedom" (自由花) from 1989 **自由花 ** Lyrics: + video::9Lqz7LuqVU[youtube,height=400,width=600]

Other good lists:

  •六四歌曲 Wikipedia page with an infinite list of songs
  • 六四学运 歌 playlist by 杰克 .龙光复民国天下为公

For non-Tiananmen songs see: <>.

[[tank-man]] ===== Tank Man (坦克人) |坦克人

Good list of all known photos:

A list of Tank Man parodies can be found at:

. CNN video of Tank Man: but not showing removal, ridiculous, is there a full raw footage somewhere? video::YeFzeNAHEhU[youtube,height=400,width=600]

. Several quick cuts by CBS news that give a good overview of the incident, including him being pushed away by other protesters at the end. video::YeFzeNAHEhU[youtube,height=400,width=600]

The <> is really good:

我是坦克人 + 站在天安门

I am tank man + I stand at Tiananmen

Full lyrics:

[[tank-man-song]] . Tank Man song (坦克人歌曲) by Xu Lin (徐琳). video::z8A623aImt8[youtube,height=400,width=600]

.Arthur Tsang's photo of Tank Man.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tank_Man.jpg[height=400]

.Stuart Franklin's wider view photo of Tank Man.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/TankMannewlongshotStuartiFranklin.jpg[height=600]

.Terril Jones photo taken at ground level with Tank Man on background and men running away on the foreground. The photo was only published in 2009.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/TankManground_level.jpg[height=600]

.Photoshop of Arthur Tsang's photo of Tank Man with huge rubber ducks replacing the tanks. Inspired by a[huge inflatable rubber duck sculpture floating in Hong Kong in 2013].[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/TankManducks.jpg[height=600]

[[lego-tank-man]] .Rough[Lego] model of the Tank Man scene.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/LegoTankMan.png[height=400]

.[Final Fantasy 6] battle screen style depiction of tank man by Cody Walton by it8Bit.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/TankManFF6.jpg[height=600]

===== Tiananmen Square Protests keywords


  • 六四学潮, which is also very close in form to the earlier: <>


  • 261 ways to refer to the Tiananmen Square Massacre in China

[[chinese-student-demonstrations-1986]] ===== 1986 Chinese student demonstrations 八六学潮


The prelude to <>.

For example, Cui Jian (崔健) <> song was composed in 1986, and later became a <>.

[[dissidents]] == Dissidents 持不同政见者

Related sections:

  • <>

=== Chinese dissidents

Other sections:

  • <>
  • <> contributors: Chen Mei (陈玫), Cai Wei (蔡伟), Xiao Tang (小唐)

Other lists:

  • Wikipedia list of Chinese dissidents ** **中华人民共和国被捕政治犯列表
  • Front Line Defenders
  • Chinese Human Rights Defenders
  • 中國政治犯關注 China Political Prisoner Concern. Chinese blog with an infinite list of Chinese political prisoners.

Other dissidents:

  • Cai Xia (蔡霞[蔡霞]), + Retired teacher at <> living in the USA. + ** 2020-06-12 "TRANSLATION: FORMER PARTY PROFESSOR CALLS CCP A 'POLITICAL ZOMBIE'" + She criticized Xi Jinping in private online meeting, and the audio was leaked: ** 2020-08-21 she was expelled from from the CCP, and she said she was happy.
  • "Jailed WeChat User Says Chinese Police Monitor Overseas Accounts Too". Gao Zhigang.
  • Guangcheng. The blind dude. "Chinese dissident tells story of escaping tyranny and finding hope in America" by "Fox News" (2020-08-26) supporting Trump's reelection.

[[xu-xiaodong]] ==== Xu Xiaodong "Mad Dog" 徐晓冬


MMA fighter who beat up some kung-fu masters to prove that MMA is more effective than their traditional styles.

As of 2019, he had 14 Weibo accounts blocked (created one, got blocked, created another, got blocked, etc.). Source:

Profiles and news:

  • 2020-01-28

.Uphold science, eradicate superstition "崇尚科学 破除迷信" 1999 poster by the CCP created as an <> propaganda likely based on a widely widespread slogan. So why is Xiaodong not being supported by the CCP now that he is beating superstition back into its place? Once again, <>. The poster features images related to the[Chinese space program 中华人民共和国航天], which is a major undertaking of the CCP and widely used propaganda point.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Uphold_science.jpg[height=600]

.1962 propaganda poster for the Chinese Space program. "Uphold science, eradicate superstition"? Nah, the moon is obviously populated by'e[Chang'e (嫦娥)], the Chinese Goddess of the moon, which is one of the names for the[Chinese Lunar Exploration Program (中国探月工程,嫦娥工程)]. Other good[Chinese space program posters]. Also note the emphasis on making babies, the <> comes to mind.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Spaceprogram_Change.jpg[height=500]

.2017 Xu Xiaodong (MMA) Vs. Wei Lei (Tai Chi) summary GIF.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/XuXiaodongtaichi.gif[height=400]

. 2017 Xu Xiaodong (MMA) Vs. Wei Lei (Tai Chi) full fight. video::0XwXaCbfIGw[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[programthink]] ==== Programthink 编程随想

Very popular Chinese language anonymous blogger that publishes software programming tutorials and political content since 2009, often negative about the CCP, in particular <> and <>.

  •编程随想的博客 (there is no English page as of January 2020)
  • The blog. Blocked in China with the <>: ** 2020 categorized summary of the best posts of all time:
  • ** manually curated database of maps relationships between Chinese politicians, this was the first <>:[], which specifically points to[]. + <>: 2020-09-30 | + The full project name is: 太子党关系网络 (network of relations of[CCP princelings]). + The project is also known as "zhao" which is another slang reference to "太子党": "赵家人" (zhaojiaren == zhao family): |趙家人zh, which is in turn a reference to or[].
  • DW coverage (Chinese):德国之声国际博客大赛中文提名博客揭晓/a-16716065 ([archive])
  • Programthink has also shown interest in <> as mentioned in that section.

Mentions in other sections:

  • <>

.Programthink uses[Rodin's The Thinker sculpture] as its avatar, to encourage people to think for themselves rather than <>.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Programthink.jpg[height=400]

[[liu-xiaobo]] ==== Liu Xiaobo 刘晓波 1955-2017


He was abroad in the 80' as a scholar, and then he came back to china in 1989 to support <>, then he was in and out of jail until he died in 2017.

2020-06刘晓波/14900221 ([]) casually forgot to mention that he might have won the fucking 2010 Nobel Peace Prize, but he seems to be too big to delete the entire page?

It is interesting how <> was fully deleted, the page was only locked. It also does not mention all the times he was in jail, notably after Tiananmen, only some of them.

2017-11 Baidu did mention the Nobel prize however: it was edited out later.

The article also makes it very clear that his 2009 sentence was "a fair one", and that the organization he worked for in the 90', fora Democratic China was funded by the CIA. Wikipedia does not mention that however, and of course, Baidu content does not need citations.

[[guo-wengui]] ==== Guo Wengui 郭文贵


Social media:

  • Chinese YouTube


  • 2019-07-24 "Is Guo Wengui, Chinese fugitive tycoon and member of Trump's Mar-a-Lago, also a spy?"

[[hao-haidong]] ===== Hao Haidong (郝海东, 2020)


Hao is widely considered one of the best Chinese soccer players of all time, and he was the top scorer for the Chinese national team of all time as of 2020, and one of the only two Chinese to show on[IFFHS Legends] page which as of 2020 contains only 52 players including the likes of Pelé and Maradona.

He participated in the 1994, 1998, 2002 and 2006 World Cup qualifiers, and therefore also at the[2002 FIFA World Cup proper] held in South Korea and Japan, which is the only World Cup China classified for as of 2020, and[in which it failed to score a single goal].

On 2020-06-03, one day before <> anniversary, Hao appeared with his wife Zhaoying, who was also a badmington star, on <>'s YouTube channel:[], and spoke up against the CCP:


As a result, his son Runze who is also a soccer player and had nothing to do with it was also sacked from the Serbian clubčkiNiš[Radnicki Nis] in which he played one week later due to pressure from China: The wiki page says that says the team says it was just a coincidence and that his contract had ended.

The most interesting thing about all of this, is how Hao's name was completely <>, making this a fantastic opportunity to unambiguously document a censorship event. One is reminded of:

  • <>
  • <> "Every record has been destroyed or falsified" quote

Some examples:

  • Zhihu: <>
  • Baidu Baike: <>
  • <> ** down as of 2020-06-14 *** 2016-03-01 媒曝克罗地亚劲旅签郝海东之子 *** 2016-01-27 IFFHS评选世界足坛48大传奇 郝海东孙继海入围 *** 2012-02-01 郝海东儿子入选国少队 被赞有天赋 ** but they forgot to search and remove from the older versions of website, newbs: *** 2003-03-21 三后卫改四后卫 申花看防郝海东不遗余力 *** 2003-03-17 僵尸王:恐郝不是恐中 *** 2001-09-14 甲A联赛大连队止住连胜势头 *** 2001-02-21 米卢评点中国足球四大前锋

Online reactions:

  • "郝海东这个事情,让你匪进退两难" on <>

Listings of the 2002 squad:

  • is the best photo available, clearly showing Hao first on top left, and from the qualifiers with Hao on top right
  • ([archive]) Contains squad photo with Hao on top left.

Google bomb at:

.Hao Haidong (in white) playing for the China national team against the Hong Kong's national team in a World Cup Asian zone qualifying match at Siu Sai Wan Sports Ground in 2004. Request for[James Fridman] to remove Haidong from the picture in reference to <>:[]. Photo by: <>.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/HaoHaidongkick.jpg[height=500]

. Hao Haidong's top 10 goals, all with CCTV 5 watermark :-) video::[youtube,height=400,width=600]

====== Zhihu censorship of Hao Haidong

<> (and the rest of the Chinese Internet) basically nuked a gazillion articles that mentioned him, including old ones that had nothing to do with his political views.

Ciro estimates that very likely thousands of Zhihu posts have been removed, as of 2020-06-14 the Google query "郝海东" had 3,970 results, and every single on Ciro clicked had been taken down.

Not nuked yet as of 2020-06, but nuked after, with before-after archives:

  • The Zhihu "Hao Haidong" topic itself ** up 2020-06-06 ** down 2020-06-14
  • C罗的每次高光,都让郝海东出尽洋相 ** up 2020-06-06 ** down 2020-06-14
  • 郝海东为什么要炮轰许家印? ** up 2020-06-06 ** down 2020-06-14
  • 巅峰期的孙继海 郑智 郝海东 范志毅怎么排名? ** up 2020-06-06 ** down 2020-06-14

Older archives that were nuked before Ciro managed to archive them on 2020-06-06:

  • ** up 2015-06-15 ** down 2015-06-06

Nuked as per Ciro's eyewitness on 2020-06-06 without web archive, but could be found either on Google search or Zhihu search before those engines had properly cleared, taking Google caches and web archiving them + web archiving 404's as of 2020-06-14:

  • 如何评价足球运动员高峰?他与郝海东比的水平怎么样?
  • 如何评价孙继海、郝海东、范志毅 ?
  • 如果巅峰期的郝海东有机会去欧洲五大联赛踢球会取得什么样的成就?
  • 巅峰时期的范志毅、郝海东、李铁、李玮锋、孙继海、郑智 放到现在的中国足球应该出于什么水平?
  • 如何评价郝海东认为“英国人不会踢球”?
  • 如何评价郝海东?
  • 郝海东是亚洲第一前锋吗?
  • 我同学说郝海东不如孙兴民 我该如何说服他?
  • 武磊和巅峰时期的郝海东比如何?
  • 如何评价 郝海东怒斥许家印全华班:放屁!不是为了推动国足。 这一观点。?
  • 郝海东是一个什么样的人?
  • 如何看待郝海东两次评价 C 罗?
  • 怎么看郝海东再评价C罗?
  • 巅峰时期的范志毅、郝海东相当于五大联赛哪些球员的实力?
  • 武磊的水平能超过郝海东吗?
  • 怎样看待最近郝海东微博频繁开炮怼人?
  • 为什么有些人黑郝海东?
  • 如何看待郝海东说的:“智慧是天生的”?
  • C罗粉丝不好惹?郝海东深夜发文教粉丝独立思考,见证历史转折点
  • 【球星故事】郝海东为何被称为“郝大炮”?
  • 郝海东争议言论登热搜,媒体人:他逐步从大炮变成公知网红
  • 郝海东被网友群嘲的五大原因
  • 塞超主帅:郝润泽不像郝海东,他更擅长于防守 And here is an archive from 2020-06-06 saying that the article was being modified to meet some guidelines: "文章被建议修改:违反知乎社区管理规定 作者修改内容通过后,文章会重新显示。"

Nuked answers:

  • 中国队 2002 世界杯为什么会出线? ** question up 2020-06-15[archive]) ** 2015 archive: ** top answer from 2015 archive is dead 2020-06-15 ** existing answers do show Hao in videos however of course

Ye also nuked:


====== Baidu Baike censorship of Hao Haidong

This served as good evidence of the obvious fact that <> Baike is highly censored.

Hao Haidong's page郝海东/357512[]:

  • up 2020-06-06郝海东/357512
  • down 2020-06-14 (say "抱歉,您所访问的页面不存在..." and redirects to home page)

Article about the Chinese national soccer team中国国家男子足球队[]:

  • archive of 2020-06-02 <>:
  • archive from 2019-06-24中国国家男子足球队
  • archive 2020-06-15:

The article used to mention Hao extensively. He was:

  • second on the 知名人物 (famous people)
  • was the 进球最多者 (top scorer), a category which as completely removed
  • the list 射手榜 (top scorers?) is still there but casually starts at 宿茂臻 with 27 goals, and skips Hao which has 41
  • an entire section about Hao was removed entitled "永远的9号——郝海东" and saying how amazing he was, including a picture

Ye Zhaoying's page叶钊颖[]:

  • up 2020-06-06
  • down 2020-06-14 (redirects to home page)

Ye won the World Championships, a biannual tournament that is likely the most prestigious in the world twice in 1995 and 1997, and her name had to be removed from the list of winners in Baidu世界羽毛球锦标赛[]:

  • 2017-11-26 archive:世界羽毛球锦标赛 showing her as winner in 1995 and 1997
  • 2020-06-08 archive of <>世界羽毛球锦标赛 before censors nuked her
  • 2020-06-15 archive after censors nuked her:[]. In 1995 and 1997 it seems that one the female singles (女子单打), even though they did happen in 1993 and 1997. How curious!

The fact that badminton is a single player sport is great in this case, as it just puts more emphasis on her name as opposed to Hao's multiplayer soccer game:

  • 1995 Ye Zhaoying vs Han Jingna BWF finals: Bracket:
  • 1997 Ye Zhaoying vs Gong Zhichao BWF finals: Bracket: + Hunan website about Gong Zhichao confirming that:

Hao Runze's page郝润泽

  • still up 2020-06-14 but locked:郝润泽
  • and casually forgets to mention that he is the fucking son of Haidong, which was likely edited out recently, but there is no edit history in Baidu Baike. <> was already from 2020-06-08 and missed the pre-edit. What a shame
  • The last entry says "2020年5月31日,郝润泽在塞尔维亚超级联赛第27轮尼什工人客场挑战纳普里达克的比赛中,首秀替补出场打入一球,帮助尼什工人实现绝平。" and also casually forgets to mention that he was fired two weeks later.

[[howey-ou]] ==== Howey Ou (欧泓奕, 2019)

The Chinese[Great Thunberg]. Environment activist. She speakes English too.

Mandatory <> question: "如何看待中国首位气候活动家欧泓奕?"

Social media:


News coverage:

  • 2020-09-25 "Greta Thunberg criticises China after climate striker Ou Hongyi held over protest" detained in Shanghai
  • 2020-06-20 "China's first climate striker warned: give it up or you can't go back to school"

.Howey Ou skipped classes for a week to protest about climate change in front of the local government office in Guilin in 2019.[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/HoweyOu2019.jpg[height=400]

[[zhou-fengsuo]] ==== Zhou Fengsuo (周锋锁) |周锋锁

After <> started his campaign for freedom of speech in china in 2015, Zhou Fengsuo published on Twitter in 2015-05-30 when he had 36K followers at the time: ([archive]) linking to Ciro Santilli's Stack Overflow account:

The commies have messed with the wrong guy's <>"


==== University student dissidents abroad

  • 2020-07 Dong Wuyuan 洞物员 (alias Horror Zoo) ** TODO real name? 洞物员 is the same sound as zoo in Chinese (动物园) which matches the English alias ** ** account run by Dong, with many funny anti-CCP images ** "党国的手伸向海外每一个角落,要你封口" ** "Police try to silence Chinese students abroad with threats to families" **

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